It's might be of interest to this discussion to note that in those parts of the world where the English Common Law has provided the basis of the legal system that all fish and wildlife are property of the Crown (or State, in places like the US) and that they are consequently a public resource and not the property of any private citizen, even when located on thier land. Some European countries treat wildlife differently, to the point in some cases of making landowners liable to any damage done to neighbouring crops and trees if they fail to control or harvest the guilty animals, and one could argue the pros and cons of either approach. That still does not however change the current situation, in which nobody here can speak of "their" deer, unless they've legally shot it in season or happen to farm some sort of exotic deer on thier land.
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THAT'S an excellant idea!! We should adopt that rule in YUPPIE run parts of Alberta Like... STRATHCONA COUNTY!! A bleaming great big chunk of land where the kingdom rulers created a bylaw making hunting in the whole county illegal.
Situation.. DEER AIN'T DUMB.. 75% Down in WC, 150% UP in Strathcona! Can't shoot em. So they live on all the private land, only to jump in front or your wifes car with the kids in it.... Great, ! So when the family chariot is written off and someone is seriously injured or worse killed, the Rulers of Strathcona should be put in front of a Judge and held accountable.
Bascially there is NO LOGICAL Reason why you can't hunt in certain parts of that big county. If population really is an issue, then do what they do in populated areas of the US,, Bow only hunting, Shotgun Slug only,, it can be done, and we could help bring the 150% deer increase back to normal and possibly save a few car deer collisions.
This is a basic Linear equation people, Make a law no hunting or discharging of FA's, DEER and MOOSE population go up. Car crashes go up, more animals crossing the road.
The strathcona county council has created a situation which is proportional to the increased vehicle animal crashes in that county...
And up in WC, the hunting pressure is creating a proportional increase in hunting conflicts... WHAT A GREAT WORLD WE LIVE IN...
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OUCH!!Fox Vegas, you says?.....explains a few things
where'd that come from? and... how did you know?
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OUCH!!
where'd that come from? and... how did you know?
Nothing says good times like a fish sandwich at the Suzie-Q's in Fox Vegas.
I still can't believe my boss made me spend a day at the office in Fox Creek. Why did he hate me so much?
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I am from Whitecourt, a lot of the the guys at the store you were taking to hunt mostly over by Mayrthorpe where there are some seriously huge bucks. Most of the talk I hear in there is Mayrthorpe area. Lots of the locals that way get really catty about the 200 inch whitetail or herd of elk they are hunting. I hunted there this year on a friends farm. He had a 200" whitetail behind his place, word got around and he had about 20 to 30 trucks A DAY, EVERY DAY driving on his land. People over there get #####y for a REASON.
North and west of town in the crown land people don't act like that at all, there is game out there for everyone and no one man could hunt it all in a life time. I did notice a very large drop in the deer population in some areas, other areas were not affected much. Knowing were to go every day I went out I had at least one buck in my sights, some nice ones too but I decided not to take one. Not knowing were to go would have made it extra tough add to that the new rules a few years ago about being able to shoot 3 whitetails and the deer are few and far between in some places.
North and west of town in the crown land people don't act like that at all, there is game out there for everyone and no one man could hunt it all in a life time. I did notice a very large drop in the deer population in some areas, other areas were not affected much. Knowing were to go every day I went out I had at least one buck in my sights, some nice ones too but I decided not to take one. Not knowing were to go would have made it extra tough add to that the new rules a few years ago about being able to shoot 3 whitetails and the deer are few and far between in some places.
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I had a similar experience in Valley View a few years ago. We were on our way up to the Peace river area for our annual moose hunt and pulled in a service station going through Valley View for some gas. My buddy has a big Ford truck with saddle tanks so we were taking on a lot of gas. The station attendant stuck up a conversation with me when the pump was running. He ended up saying to me "I hope you don't get anything - the moose should be only for the people that live up here - you city people should go back where you belong and hunt there." I was so shocked I didn't know what to say. What a jerk!!
Remember the policy on discriminatory language...
FYI: Only queers are queers, not straight men married to women, regardless of how stupid the behaviour, thank you...
FYI: Only queers are queers, not straight men married to women, regardless of how stupid the behaviour, thank you...
I Understan frustration of land owners when people are ignorant and rude, so 1st of all i had no intention of hunting on private land and only on crown land,
2ndly the few times i do hunt on private land i have only done so with the land owners permission, so there was no REASON for that individules ignorant and rude comments
You're hunting my moose!! You're the reason I can't get a tag!!
There is a lot of tension in the north with southern hunters coming up, that's for sure. 10 years ago, while there was a draw system, there really wasn't, you could always get undersubscribed tags.
Next year I predict will be the 1st year a priority 1hunter is not guaranteed a tag. A lot of people blame southern hunters, but I don't think that is the issue. I think as the draw got tighter men started getting every legal aged hunter in their family a WIN card, and a lot of women/teens who have never hunted before are going in to moose camp.
That's what I think, anyway. And to be blunt, a lot of guys really don't get how the system works and would never look at the stats to try and figure it out.
It's all your fault!
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It sucks... but I know this to be true... Wife/Kids who have never hunted (or even shot a rifle for that matter) putting in for moose draws. I'm not sure how to curb this but if they have a PAL (they can hunt/carry a gun) and are eligable to hunt (have a WIN) it's legal to apply for a tag but we all know who will be pulling the trigger. And with partner tags available for moose this is a way to keep this legal.
Just my 2 cents
FYI: Only queers are queers, not straight men married to women, regardless of how stupid the behaviour, thank you...
Im not sure it qualifies as discriminatory language as queers use the word "queer" regularly in their propoganda........
And there is a show called "Queer eye for the Straight Guy"............(not that i've ever watched it)
But if the Mods take exception, I'm sure they will say so.
Now if he used several other "descriptors" commonly used to define ###s, well, I could see there being some sort of problem.
I don't think partner tags effect priority?? Am I right? I don't get drawn so I join a partner, does my priority stay the same?
I have never had to worry about it until recently, I have 2 sons (who really hunt FYI: It's more fun when you son shoots it) who hunt with me. Now one is getting hitched and wants to keep to keep his own meat, uppitty little ####. Now the draw is starting to become a factor as we live of moose in my house.
There is nothing you can do about it Silverado7, it is legal and who knows who pulls the trigger in the bush?? You just have to accept it right or wrong.
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For sure... There are many families like yours who 'legaly' hunt or put in draws. but there are tonnes who 'use' the draw system to get extra tags. I personally know a guy (buddies dad) who shot a moose on his wifes tag went to town got her and tagged the moose. the fish cops got wind of it (small town) and proved that she was at work during the kill... they charged him not sure of the fine but he was banned from hunting/fishing for 3 or 5 years (i forget which) but there are many more that get away with it.
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oh yeah... you buy a partner tag AFTER you are successfully drawn. But there are restrictions on that too..
Partner Licence
Upon killing an animal, a partner must immediately inform the primary licence holder (and vice versa – if the primary licence holder kills the animal, he or she must immediately inform the partner) of the killing. The primary licence holder must, immediately upon arriving at the carcass, tag the animal in the normal fashion.
Rules for all Partners – A designated partner does not need any priority to qualify for a partner licence, does not need to have applied on the draw, and the purchase of the partner licence will not affect any existing priority of the partner. The intended partner must be eligible to hold a hunting licence. See below for information regarding licence combinations and restrictions. The primary licensee may designate a partner at any time until the end of the season for which the Special Licence is valid. The designated partner hunts under the authority of the special licence and must be in direct communication (not including the use of any electronic devices) with the primary special licence holder while hunting to ensure that both stop hunting once the tag(s) are filled. The two hunters hunt as one.
The primary licensee must carry the tag(s) issued with the special licence and must tag the animal as soon as there is a kill. The primary licensee may hunt without the partner, but not vice versa.
To Designate a Partner – The Partner Licence is available at any licence issuer. The intended partner must provide the licence issuer with the number of the Special Licence held by the primary hunter along with his or her own WiN. The Special Licence number authorizes the licensing system to issue a partner licence that is linked to the Special Licence. The intended partner may then purchase a Wildlife Certificate and the appropriate Partner Licence. If the intended partner is a non-resident, he/she must be accompanied by a licensed Hunter Host while hunting. The Partner Licence is valid for the same WMU and season as the Special Licence. No tag is issued with the Partner Licence.
Partner Licence
Upon killing an animal, a partner must immediately inform the primary licence holder (and vice versa – if the primary licence holder kills the animal, he or she must immediately inform the partner) of the killing. The primary licence holder must, immediately upon arriving at the carcass, tag the animal in the normal fashion.
Rules for all Partners – A designated partner does not need any priority to qualify for a partner licence, does not need to have applied on the draw, and the purchase of the partner licence will not affect any existing priority of the partner. The intended partner must be eligible to hold a hunting licence. See below for information regarding licence combinations and restrictions. The primary licensee may designate a partner at any time until the end of the season for which the Special Licence is valid. The designated partner hunts under the authority of the special licence and must be in direct communication (not including the use of any electronic devices) with the primary special licence holder while hunting to ensure that both stop hunting once the tag(s) are filled. The two hunters hunt as one.
The primary licensee must carry the tag(s) issued with the special licence and must tag the animal as soon as there is a kill. The primary licensee may hunt without the partner, but not vice versa.
To Designate a Partner – The Partner Licence is available at any licence issuer. The intended partner must provide the licence issuer with the number of the Special Licence held by the primary hunter along with his or her own WiN. The Special Licence number authorizes the licensing system to issue a partner licence that is linked to the Special Licence. The intended partner may then purchase a Wildlife Certificate and the appropriate Partner Licence. If the intended partner is a non-resident, he/she must be accompanied by a licensed Hunter Host while hunting. The Partner Licence is valid for the same WMU and season as the Special Licence. No tag is issued with the Partner Licence.
You're hunting my moose!! You're the reason I can't get a tag!!
There is a lot of tension in the north with southern hunters coming up, that's for sure. 10 years ago, while there was a draw system, there really wasn't, you could always get undersubscribed tags.
Next year I predict will be the 1st year a priority 1hunter is not guaranteed a tag. A lot of people blame southern hunters, but I don't think that is the issue. I think as the draw got tighter men started getting every legal aged hunter in their family a WIN card, and a lot of women/teens who have never hunted before are going in to moose camp.
That's what I think, anyway. And to be blunt, a lot of guys really don't get how the system works and would never look at the stats to try and figure it out.
It's all your fault!
Gee - that's just too bad - I didn't know the moose were branded with your brand - How terrible for you
. The above quote makes about as much sense as me saying - You're the reason I have to be in line to get an operation at one of OUR hospitals in Calgary. Stay where you belong and use your own medical facilities.
Everyone who is a tax paying resident of this province is entitled to all the benefits that this province provides and that includes your moose up north.
You don't want us to hunt moose in your back yard but you're more than willing to have us buy fuel, eat in your restaurants, stay in your hotels, drink in your bars, etc etc etc. WHAT HIPROCRISY!!
My friend and I have decided that if another incident happens like I've described above we shut the gas pumps down immediatly, pay for the fuel up to that point, Inform the manager why we are taking our business across the street and finally when we get back write the chain involved. With any luck we can get the individual involved fired or at least get him to sit through an educational seminar about customer service and how it applies directly to his job.
By the way I plan on going back to hunt more of YOUR moose and YOUR deer and YOUR elk and whatever else lives up there.
You're hunting my moose!! You're the reason I can't get a tag!!
There is a lot of tension in the north with southern hunters coming up, that's for sure. 10 years ago, while there was a draw system, there really wasn't, you could always get undersubscribed tags.
Next year I predict will be the 1st year a priority 1hunter is not guaranteed a tag. A lot of people blame southern hunters, but I don't think that is the issue. I think as the draw got tighter men started getting every legal aged hunter in their family a WIN card, and a lot of women/teens who have never hunted before are going in to moose camp.
That's what I think, anyway. And to be blunt, a lot of guys really don't get how the system works and would never look at the stats to try and figure it out.
It's all your fault!
If you read the whole post I think ya might have figured out it was sarcasm, I'm not a big fan of the smilies, I guess I need more of them, I thought ending the post with the queer pirate was enough.
I thought the part I bolded made my opinion pretty clear.
I may not be as smart as some of the young fellas on this site
, but I am smart enough not to make myself an object of ridicule on a thread like this.
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