Troy M14 chassis
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I have never done side-by-side comparison between different stocks but from what it looks like SAGE may be the most accurate stock by the way it holds the rifle. Either that of JAE. Troy is also very tight but the way it holds the action and support the barrel I am not very convinced. My Troy has red dot on it plus I re-crowned it myself (bubba'ed) - I will leave it to someone who has stock M14 with decent glass fit into Troy chassies to comment on accuracy. I have had fiberglass USGI, JAE, SAGE and now Troy stocks in my gun locker and tested for accuracy all of them except for Troy never been scoped.
USGI gave me about 1MOA or less depending on moon phases and ammo brand
SAGE is around 1-1.3 MOA with factory ammo
JAE was about 1.5 MOA again with factory ammo
Troy is 2.3 MOA with handloads and red dot for scope. I am sure half decent glass would have those groups shrunk to at least 1.5MOA if not more. But again, I am not big on Troy's firm grip on a barrel, I think SAGE better allows for thermal expansion/shinkage.
USGI gave me about 1MOA or less depending on moon phases and ammo brand
SAGE is around 1-1.3 MOA with factory ammo
JAE was about 1.5 MOA again with factory ammo
Troy is 2.3 MOA with handloads and red dot for scope. I am sure half decent glass would have those groups shrunk to at least 1.5MOA if not more. But again, I am not big on Troy's firm grip on a barrel, I think SAGE better allows for thermal expansion/shinkage.
The JAE 100 is a very good stock only the gen 1 are very heavy and don't allow for any tension on the gas cylinder. I have a Douglas heavy on my m305 so the sage is out of the picture from what read. I sold my JAE100 on the EE when the Gen 2 came out but it sounds like the Gen 2 will be far more expensive the Gen1 in Canada.
The Troy is available in Canada and the heavy barrel will fit and the price is not bad. I'd rather have the JAE 100 Gen2 but its too much money.
The Troy is available in Canada and the heavy barrel will fit and the price is not bad. I'd rather have the JAE 100 Gen2 but its too much money.
I'm of the opinion that for the M-14s, the type of ammo you use will determine accuracy far more than the stock you put it in. If you want accuracy, I think you'll need to reload. Then of course there's lots of other things like re barreling, which I know nothing about. To be honest, I think there's too much emphasis put on stock choice when it comes to accuracy in an M-14s.
The bedding system on the troy has two screws to adjust the bedding tension. I don't think overall it is more accurate than a traditional glass bedding job, or a stock that already has a tight fit, but it certainly is simpler. The nice thing about the Troy is that everything is already set up. Scope mount. A variety of buttstock and grip choices, no glass bedding. I don't honestly think it's going to improve your accuracy. It is bulky though. So overall, not a bad choice, but you asked about accuracy.
The bedding system on the troy has two screws to adjust the bedding tension. I don't think overall it is more accurate than a traditional glass bedding job, or a stock that already has a tight fit, but it certainly is simpler. The nice thing about the Troy is that everything is already set up. Scope mount. A variety of buttstock and grip choices, no glass bedding. I don't honestly think it's going to improve your accuracy. It is bulky though. So overall, not a bad choice, but you asked about accuracy.
In my experience with these rifles the bedding and having proper tension on the gas cylinder and also having the cylinder aligned and welded and a good scope mount if your going to put glass on it. I agree shooting skills and match ammo are also very important as well. The reason for going to these types of stock is more for the bedding systems they generally repeatable when it come to preforming any maintenance. Normally glass bedding will not last very long maybe 1000 rounds and you don't want to disassemble once you get it working good.
I had a JAE 100 G1 and other then it was very heavy and had no way of putting any pressure on the gas cylinder the system did make a large improvement that was repeatable.
The Troy system can be found in Canada and for a decent price or I would go for the JAE 100Gen2.
Does any one have any pic's of the Troy bedding system?
I had a JAE 100 G1 and other then it was very heavy and had no way of putting any pressure on the gas cylinder the system did make a large improvement that was repeatable.
The Troy system can be found in Canada and for a decent price or I would go for the JAE 100Gen2.
Does any one have any pic's of the Troy bedding system?
Having done up several custom rifles now with the sage, troy and Jae 1 and 2 ...... for a shorty m14...... I'll take the Troy hands down. However, I no longer own any aluminum fancy stocks and have stuck with my stock design in fiberglass..... in my opinion the weight of the aluminum stocks is just too cumbersome. Here's an action shot under recoil..... not the oprod is at the rear of it's stroke and the Troy equiped norc shorty is still staying in the target plane without significant muzzle rise....
I put my Mepro sight on the Troy and buzzed up to try it out today. 2 days of shooting in a row ... nice!
The rifle shot well enough but the Mepro dot covers so much of the target it was difficult to get better than mediocre groups. It was still way more satisfying than function testing without sights!
I kind of like the two tone colour scheme but will probably experiment with a scout type rig in the near future.
The rifle shot well enough but the Mepro dot covers so much of the target it was difficult to get better than mediocre groups. It was still way more satisfying than function testing without sights!
I kind of like the two tone colour scheme but will probably experiment with a scout type rig in the near future.
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I got mine from Wolverine Supplies
if i was dropping money into a stock it would be the newest from jae, the jae100g2. it may not be easy to get but it would be leaps and bounds above what is readily available. metal to metal and sub moa is what its all about.
trust me.... it works more than O.K. and is lighter than the JAE.
Ive put the stocks on the same rifle and weighed them one after the other.... the troy wins.
they serve seperate purposes..... those stocks.
I really don't see a cost versus benefit of buying a JAE of any model for well in excess of 1000.00 when a troy can be had for less. Also, ask yourself why you are buying such a high end stock in the first place.
If it's money to burn..... fill yer boots.
If you are buying one of these stocks for "performance" my vote again goes to the troy. It changes the way the m14 behaves under recoil, makes double taps on target a reality, locks the action rock solid and provides mounting possibilities for optics all in one package.
In my opinion (for what it's worth) , the troy IS the pinnacle of the m14 stock developemnt from a chassis point of view. It takes the M14 beyond what the JAE is capable of.
As a stricly bench rest rifle or if you are an LEo requiring a m14 as a sniper tool...... JAE is your stock.
If you want look cool factor and functionality on the bench or if you compete in tac rifle or 3 gun type matches...... The Troy is the ticket.
I have not factored sage stocks into these comments as they are simply not availlable to our market in any quantity worth commenting on.
I have custom built and fired several m14 rifles in all of the latest fiberglass and aluminum stock designs. For the average civillian wanting a kisk ass m14.... save your cash and get the troy.... you will NOT be disappointed.
Ive put the stocks on the same rifle and weighed them one after the other.... the troy wins.
they serve seperate purposes..... those stocks.
I really don't see a cost versus benefit of buying a JAE of any model for well in excess of 1000.00 when a troy can be had for less. Also, ask yourself why you are buying such a high end stock in the first place.
If it's money to burn..... fill yer boots.
If you are buying one of these stocks for "performance" my vote again goes to the troy. It changes the way the m14 behaves under recoil, makes double taps on target a reality, locks the action rock solid and provides mounting possibilities for optics all in one package.
In my opinion (for what it's worth) , the troy IS the pinnacle of the m14 stock developemnt from a chassis point of view. It takes the M14 beyond what the JAE is capable of.
As a stricly bench rest rifle or if you are an LEo requiring a m14 as a sniper tool...... JAE is your stock.
If you want look cool factor and functionality on the bench or if you compete in tac rifle or 3 gun type matches...... The Troy is the ticket.
I have not factored sage stocks into these comments as they are simply not availlable to our market in any quantity worth commenting on.
I have custom built and fired several m14 rifles in all of the latest fiberglass and aluminum stock designs. For the average civillian wanting a kisk ass m14.... save your cash and get the troy.... you will NOT be disappointed.
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