Troy PAR in 223: Are they still available in Canada?

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With all the speculation on the AR15 in the next week, I was mulling over the idea of a Troy PAR if things really go pear shaped. I have been searching the net for a Canadian source for a new one (told the new 223 ones have undiluted chambers now) but I barely see any for sale, and none in 223.

Does anyone know if they are still being brought into Canada?
 
I do not see the 7.62x39 on their website. They do not recommend steel cased rounds as they do not extract properly; probably why they do not make them.
 
For those who own or owned these were they a real hit or not really all that and a bag a chilps? Lol I sorta like the idea of the pump action rifle
 
They had mixed reviews. 223 had issues and you needed an upgrade kit for them to run right. Accuracy was ?? And comparatively speaking they were heavy - at least substantially heavier than the Remington pump offerings out there. Not a bad rifle, if you lived in California, but in many ways they were an answer to a question that nobody was asking at the time.
 
KePet said:
They had mixed reviews. 223 had issues and you needed an upgrade kit for them to run right. Accuracy was ?? And comparatively speaking they were heavy - at least substantially heavier than the Remington pump offerings out there. Not a bad rifle, if you lived in California, but in many ways they were an answer to a question that nobody was asking at the time.
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The “National” version with a folding stock were pretty light I thought, and accuracy was above fair?

The optics dedicated versions were heavier, particularly the 308 and 375 calibers. A rifle designed for California and of brief interest until the advent of the NR AR15 variants like Stag 10 etc.

Maybe of interest again after June of this year?

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I have a PAR in 308 fitted with a 1-8 scope. As my hunting rifle I am very happy with it. I particularly like the 16inch barrel in the scrub. As for accuracy, I am consistently hitting dinner plates at 300m (which doesn’t make the missus happy – must buy her some new plates) using Hornandy ELDX.


In my experience, it’s imperative that you get a second-generation PAR. The action is smoother and more reliable. Getting the feed ramp polished is probably a good idea also.


I’d be happy to pay more if they offered a premium version. I agree with the Hunting Gear Guy when he summed up the build quality as being ‘medium’ for an AR type platform.

Would I recommend to a friend? YES
 
KePet said:
They had mixed reviews. 223 had issues and you needed an upgrade kit for them to run right. Accuracy was ?? And comparatively speaking they were heavy - at least substantially heavier than the Remington pump offerings out there. Not a bad rifle, if you lived in California, but in many ways they were an answer to a question that nobody was asking at the time.
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I had the PAR 223 with the folding stock and the Remington 7615 Police at the same time. I never put them on the scales but I can guarantee you that the Troy was NOT the heavyweight of the two.

The Troy was a pleasure to handle comparatively.

But the 7615P was the superior of the two. Built like a brick s#!thouse. Reliable and indestructible.

The Troy was starting to show signs of wear in the action linkage and the upgrade kit wasn't currently available so down the road it went while it was still functional.

I will never sell my 7615P
 
Since manual action has no magazine limit in Canada, could a manufacturer in theory take the AR-like attributes of a PAR, ie butt stock, pistol grip, and other AR compatible ergonomic parts, but make it so the magazine was completely proprietary, with no way in Hades chance of fitting an AR or any other semi-automatic rifle, and have that magazine come in a large capacity greater then five or ten rounds? Would there be a market in Canada for such a proprietary gun, especially if semi-autos are prohibited outright?
 
Ustauk said:
Since manual action has no magazine limit in Canada, could a manufacturer in theory take the AR-like attributes of a PAR, ie butt stock, pistol grip, and other AR compatible ergonomic parts, but make it so the magazine was completely proprietary, with no way in Hades chance of fitting an AR or any other semi-automatic rifle, and have that magazine come in a large capacity greater then five or ten rounds? Would there be a market in Canada for such a proprietary gun, especially if semi-autos are prohibited outright?
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Yes, there would be a market in Canada, and yes it would be possible, BUT, there is no major manufacturer willing to put out the time and money for such a small market. These work in Canada because of an aberration, they were built for States like California, ( where the population of that one state is pretty much all of Canada’s). If you were to look at a smaller, possibly even Canadian manufacturer then the price point becomes prohibitive. First manufacture a prototype, then get it through the FRT/lab process, and then actually manufacture for a small market just isn’t worth the time or expense for the few thousand that you’ll sell. The PAR was built to be AR like, but comply with the laws of states that have strict regulations on semi’s. Given that these haven’t exactly flown off the shelves, and the fact that Troy has now moved on (it seems) to the straight pull rifle (SPR) and no longer even list the PAR on their site, I think we can definitely class this rifle as a “ answer to a question that nobody was asking”
 
KePet said:
Given that these haven’t exactly flown off the shelves, and the fact that Troy has now moved on (it seems) to the straight pull rifle (SPR) and no longer even list the PAR on their site, I think we can definitely class this rifle as a “ answer to a question that nobody was asking”
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Troy lists 3 different pump action rifles on their website right now. Looks like they don't use the acronym "PAR" anymore
 
Unholysavage said:
Troy lists 3 different pump action rifles on their website right now. Looks like they don't use the acronym "PAR" anymore
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Ahhh, entirely possible. So much for the search function. I stand corrected. And even though my posts on this subject seem a little negative, they weren’t meant that way. I actually like the rifle, and the concept. What I didn’t like was being put in a position where I had to wait an extended period of time for an “upgrade” kit so that the rifle would even function properly - especially since you were forced to buy the kit when the problem was a design flaw from the start. It should have been offered free of charge as a recall. I just don’t see a huge market for it, or a large enough following at this time. Guess we’ll have to wait and see what the future brings with potential bans. Both here and in the US.
 
I had a .308 Troy PAR.

Neat idea.

But i found it to be pretty heavy. And although the action while pumping when empty was smooth, actually chambering a round and ejecting caused the action to be quite rough.

Just wasnt worth the price tag in my opinion.

Might consider a well worked in, lighter weight .223 version in the future
 
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