Troy par upgrade kit?

I've been really interested in these rifles, but reading this thread has scared me. Is this an issue on all of the PAR's. I notice that somebody said Type 1 and 2. Is there a type 3? How do you tell the difference? I sure don't want to order/purchase one before I know whether I've bought a $1200 rifle or a paperweight.

Any help would be appreciated
 
I've been really interested in these rifles, but reading this thread has scared me. Is this an issue on all of the PAR's. I notice that somebody said Type 1 and 2. Is there a type 3? How do you tell the difference? I sure don't want to order/purchase one before I know whether I've bought a $1200 rifle or a paperweight.

Any help would be appreciated

I Have a Troy PAR in 308. My road block is steel. I like it and am thinking about picking one up in 223. I guess if buying you my want to inspect it and take a magnet.
 
K-C, What did IRG have to say about warranty? Can't they handle the return paperwork to ship it to Troy?
I can understand the aluminum deforming but I'm surprised how much the steep op rod has gotten preened by the softer aluminum?
I wonder if your chamber is a bit on the tight side as well as scored?
 
I'm just the opposite. Got too many .308's. I'd like the .223, and then if I really like it, maybe look at the 308.

It wouldn't even be a big deal if Rampart had the upgrade kits, or at least a time-line on them. I suppose a guy might be able to talk really nice to a friendly machinist and get the part made, but as a one-off that's probably a $200 - $300 dollar touch.
 
K-C, What did IRG have to say about warranty? Can't they handle the return paperwork to ship it to Troy?
I can understand the aluminum deforming but I'm surprised how much the steep op rod has gotten preened by the softer aluminum?
I wonder if your chamber is a bit on the tight side as well as scored?

IRG didn't say anything about the warranty, In fact, they didn't say ANYTHING. My detailed letter asking for assistance which I sent to Rampart was forwarded to IRG but IRG never contacted me. I phoned them and was forced to leave a message but never heard back. My impression is that they're in the business of volume selling "bar-code on a box" and not much of a "service-orientated" business. Correct me if I'm wrong.

My close-up photos of the Op Rod (Guide Rod) damage are the FORE END where it clicks and locks into place into the "Guide Rod Lock" (which is Steel) and is held in place by the upward pressure from two springs. I am suspecting that these springs provide insufficient pressure for this design combined with poor tolerances.

Chamber size appears to be fine as there is absolutely no issue with extraction. The burr that scores each and every case neck is just beyond the top of the shoulder. I find this burr totally annoying as each and every case is rendered into scrap as I feel it would be foolhardy to reload these damaged cases. And yes, I'm a serious reloader. Well maybe not serious, more like obsessed ;-) As the Troy PAR uses a standard AR-15 Barrel (without gas port), Barrel Extension and A2 Barrel Nut, I will be dismantling soon to take a closer look at the chamber.

As far as feed issues go, I experienced this problem with several types of magazines also (mainly 10-round 'pistol' mags), until I used the included Troy BattleMag - it works flawlessly. I purchased several additional BattleMags (new production with included alternate "Ranger" floorplate). I had to file down most of the rivet heads slightly as the were binding on the mag well.

Re: Type 1 and Type 2 is my way of describing what a technician at Troy told me during an extended discussion. Here is a breakdown:

"Type 1" (initial production): Two "Action Guide Rings" in fore end; aluminum "Rod Block" screwed to Bolt Carrier; short lengths of cut tubing used as spacers in fore end; 3 x aluminum Picatinny Rails each dressed in Troy "BattleRail Covers"

"Type 2" (first modification): Single "Action Guide Block" in fore end; all other features as per "Type 1"

"Type 3" (current model and/or fitted "Upgrade Kit" models): Single "Action Guide Block" in fore end; Steel "Rod Block" screwed to Bolt Carrier; 3 x machined Delrin Spacers under a one-piece plastic "Pump Handle".

Circular and Octagonal cross-section free float handguards can be found on all 3 types. There are also hybrids of Types 1 & 2 with a Steel "Rod Block" but otherwise as noted above.
 
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Thanks K-C!
I had an issue with the trigger on a National that I also got from IRG.
IRG said they would deal with it, but after a few weeks I got in touch with Troy and they sent me a replacement trigger directly. This is the first I've heard of the issue but I think I will email Troy again and see what they have to say..... hard to believe they wouldn't just ship out some steel blocks and replacement rods for people effected!
 
Thanks K-C!
.....................after a few weeks I got in touch with Troy and they sent me a replacement trigger directly.........................!

This is what I can't understand. I met someone else who was sent some parts directly from Troy and yet Alyssa Fuentes at Troy said that ITAR forbids this and they couldn't send me any parts directly. And yet, I have purchased firearms parts and magazines directly from Brownells with absolutely no issues...

Maybe I need to make some more noise at Troy and talk to someone else.
 
Thought I'd post these photos of my old and new PAR 308 Rod Blocks.
The new RB has a notch in middle.
Both a steel, however, Troy advised me that the new one is made of a different material and manufactured to a higher tolerance.
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Henry, so your saying there is a third improvement on the "rod block"? Allum to steel to improved design steel.

Where did you get the part from?
 
Henry, so your saying there is a third improvement on the "rod block"? Allum to steel to improved design steel.

Where did you get the part from?
Well - it would appear that there is a second generation steel Rod Block. Troy have only told me to install it - not what new benefits it offers. It came in the PAR 308 upgrade kit via Rampart International.
 
Damn just bought a 308 Par haven't heard of this problem until now.
I see rampart still has the 308 upgrade, this take care of the problem?
 
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Hi guys, if someone would like to send us a sample of parts needed be made. We can turn out the parts for you. We can do a production run of a couple of hundred to keep costs down. This is actually exactly why we started RWA in the first place, to help with any unobtanium parts Canadians need. It would help if someone would lend us a rifle to test the replacement parts as well. The person who helps with the rifle lending will get all replacement parts for free.

Cheers.
 
This is a timely back to the top!
I emailed Troy last week and they said Rampart can easily order the "upgrade kit" I asked if it was recommended or necessary to switch the parts and they implied that it was optional......?

IRG also just posted yesterday that they will take responsibility for all warranty shipping costs and details for guns they sell!

Hopefully K-C will weigh in.....
 
I talk to rampart yesterday and told they will only be stocking what they have listed on their site. I emailed Troy no response yet.
 
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