Troy SAR (Side Action Rifle) !!!

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Just noticed this on their website... Looks very interesting !

Appears to be based off the (already non-restricted) PAR, but with a reciever-mounted charging handle instead of the pump. I like it.

Obviously, the RCMP will have to view it & give it an FRT before "we" (average Joe) get our hands on any.

Comes in two models, 14.7" and 16". Both have side folding stock, reminiscent of the Sig MCX.

I think this is gonna be a hot tickect, more so than the PAR... I want one, if the price is similar to (preferably cheaper than) the PAR

(I want the 14.7" rifle, but with the longer handguard from the 16")

:popCorn:


LINK ---> https://worldoftroy.com/product/troy-16-side-action-rifle/

PRE-ORDER NOW, SHIPPING JANUARY 2018!

Thank you, American Rifleman for naming the TROY SAR to your “First Look at 2018’s New Guns” hot product listing!

The TROY Side Action Rifle (SAR) was developed for precision-based shooting in a rugged, reliable, light-weight (under 5.5 lbs), 50-State Legal package ideal for hunting and target shooting.
The billet machined stock can be folded to the left, collapsing to 24.5”, making it ideal for back-pack or cross body wear.
The side charge handle with Target Knob can be positioned left or right for fast follow-up shots for all left and right-handed shooters.
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Boomer74 said:
Just noticed this on their website... Looks very interesting !

Appears to be based off the (already non-restricted) PAR, but with a reciever-mounted charging handle instead of the pump. I like it.

Obviously, the RCMP will have to view it & give it an FRT before "we" (average Joe) get our hands on any.

Comes in two models, 14.7" and 16". Both have side folding stock, reminiscent of the Sig MCX.

I think this is gonna be a hot tickect, more so than the PAR... I want one, if the price is similar to (preferably cheaper than) the PAR

(I want the 14.7" rifle, but with the longer handguard from the 16")

:popCorn:
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It's not that new in the gun world. The UK actually already does lots of manual action rifles due to their laws. No semi auto centerfire rifles, so they have a bunch of converted to straight pull rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTyXcF4KAiE M1 carbine straight pull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmYv5JTIQM M1 garand straight pull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwZbVM7KGhU AR-15 Straight pull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBjulD1cBPw VZ 58 MAR (Manual action release, you push a lever to close the bolt after each shot thus qualifying as a manual action)
 
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chillyrabbit said:
It's not that new in the gun world. The UK actually already does lots of manual action rifles due to their laws.
No semi auto centerfire rifles, so they have a bunch of converted to straight pull rifles.
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I'm not looking for a debate on the the existence of "similar" concepts/production rifles...
And are they all available in North America, or better yet is there a demand ? I'd bet "NO".
This is a "new" rifle from an established manufacturer, who already has a pump-action version of (what I believe to be) the same rifle. And Canadians are buying them.
The SAR appears to have the hallmark of a non-restricted rifle, unlike the AR-15 model you linked which would be restricted by default (it's an AR lower reciever).
The rest of your links, are all rifles currently available in non-restricted semi-auto form... So your reply is a moot point.

What Troy should do (Canadians can only dream it becomes reality), is to make a branded PAR/SAR magazine that holds more than 5rds !!!

Anyone else with anything constructive to add to the thread ?

:rolleyes:
 
I find any new rifle "interesting", but IMHO this one is only that: interesting, but not anything to get excited about. I'm a fan of straight-pulls in general as hunting rifles, but with the PAR already in existence, what is the appeal of this thing? A slower version of the pump action; why? Is there anything different or superior about the lock-up, or anything else that will make this a more accurate gun?

Slower to operate, less handy (with that operating lever jutting out the side)...what makes it better?
 
While I prefer my PAR for the pump when doing holding it two hands I can totally see how the SAR is better doing bench shooting. I need go-go-gadget arm doing that at the bench with my PAR. May be they can add spring loaded forward assist for the side action so you can pull to eject and the release it to have the bolt go forward chamber a new round. It would be awkward on the PAR but I can see it is much doable on the SAR.
 
lavino said:
While I prefer my PAR for the pump when doing holding it two hands I can totally see how the SAR is better doing bench shooting. I need go-go-gadget arm doing that at the bench with my PAR. May be they can add spring loaded forward assist for the side action so you can pull to eject and the release it to have the bolt go forward chamber a new round. It would be awkward on the PAR but I can see it is much doable on the SAR.
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At first I was like wtf this is stupid. Not only do you have to remove a hand from the rifle to operate it, you have to remove your right hand or reach over the top of the gun to operate... But you make a good point, this would be better suited for bench rest shooting than the PAR... but at that point I'd just get a bolt gun, so I don't see one of these ending up in my locker. (with the new wave of NR not-AR rifles coming to market like the macabe defense receiver set and a new modern hunter variant, I don't see me getting a PAR either though)
 
Boomer74 said:
What Troy should do (Canadians can only dream it becomes reality), is to make a branded PAR/SAR magazine that holds more than 5rds !!!
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Legally impossible. Any magazine made for the PAR is an AR15 pattern magazine as the PAR is advertised as taking standard AR15 magazines.
 
Armedsask said:
Legally impossible. Any magazine made for the PAR is an AR15 pattern magazine as the PAR is advertised as taking standard AR15 magazines.
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Original PAR as submitted with proprietary magazine holding 30rds was rejected by the laboratory & the lower wouldn’t accept C7/M4 magazine.

gadget
 
gadget said:
Original PAR as submitted with proprietary magazine holding 30rds was rejected by the laboratory & the lower wouldn’t accept C7/M4 magazine.

gadget
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Humm did not know that... Interesting. I wonder how the lab came to that conclusion if they actually tested the rifle and mags
 
Boomer74 said:
Which labratory is that ? And please elaborate on your hypothesis.


Thx
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RCMP laboratory & I was responsible for its import into Canada & the submission was made through North Sylva & my BFF owns Troy Industries - good enough ?

gadget
 
Gadget did all the foot work to get the PAR approved for the Canadian market with his and North Sylva's time and money. Everyones favourite grey market importer brought a bunch in and uncut the Canadian market without lifting a finger. Guess what happened when there was warranty issues with the grey market guns. Gadget had to look after the repair and replacement too. Steve Troy and Gadget even had to replace one of the grey market guns on their dime and it wasn't a manufacturing issue. So that says a lot about Gadget and Troy for supporting the firearms community in Canada.
 
gadget said:
RCMP laboratory & I was responsible for its import into Canada & the submission was made through North Sylva & my BFF owns Troy Industries - good enough ?

gadget
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Thanks for the info, but no need to be a douche about it. I had no idea you were so involved.

But then how would I, as I haven't been around much due to the douche-baggery that seems to occur more frequently when people ask a (reasonable) question...

And if Steve is your BFF, whats the deal with the SAR ? Are you bringing that in too ?


Cheers


Suther said:
At first I was like wtf this is stupid. Not only do you have to remove a hand from the rifle to operate it, you have to remove your right hand or reach over the top of the gun to operate... But you make a good point, this would be better suited for bench rest shooting than the PAR... but at that point I'd just get a bolt gun, so I don't see one of these ending up in my locker. (with the new wave of NR not-AR rifles coming to market like the macabe defense receiver set and a new modern hunter variant, I don't see me getting a PAR either though)
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I think the SAR would be better suited for coyote hunting, where I (like most) sit while waiting for them to come into range.
This requires a bipod with long legs, and the only 1 I have comes with a swivel-stud mount & a large mounting surface that might not be conducive with the PAR.
And the charging handle is ambi, so RH shooters could put it on the left side to allow their right hand to remain on the grip/trigger.
Not to mention the (probable) weight savings from removing all the pump parts, might not be more than a pound but less weight is less weight.

And I think it looks good too, with that folding stock !
 
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Boomer74 said:
Thanks for the info, but no need to be a douche about it. I had no idea you were so involved.

But then how would I, as I haven't been around much due to the douche-baggery that seems to occur more frequently when people ask a (reasonable) question...

And if Steve is your BFF, whats the deal with the SAR ? Are you bringing that in too ?


Cheers




I think the SAR would be better suited for coyote hunting, where I (like most) sit while waiting for them to come into range.
This requires a bipod with long legs, and the only 1 I have comes with a swivel-stud mount & a large mounting surface that might not be conducive with the PAR.
And the charging handle is ambi, so RH shooters could put it on the left side to allow their right hand to remain on the grip/trigger.
Not to mention the (probable) weight savings from removing all the pump parts, might not be more than a pound but less weight is less weight.

And I think it looks good too, with that folding stock !
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No offense taken at all - I would expect that the SAR will be imported eventually & details once available will be posted for everyone’s information.

gadget
 
gadget said:
Original PAR as submitted with proprietary magazine holding 30rds was rejected by the laboratory & the lower wouldn’t accept C7/M4 magazine.

gadget
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What was the reasoning? I recall when this happened but my memory is fuzzy. Wasn't it something to do with fitting AR15 uppers? Or did they just not like the magazine capacity so threw it out arbitrarily?
 
$899. If it comes to Canada, add import costs, and an NR tax, and we're probably looking at around 4000$ for a bolt rifle in the shape of an AR. No thanks.
 
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