I also have an adaptor for centrefire crack flares. I could keep the crack flare in the left barrel and......
.....one of these in the right barrel.
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I also have an adaptor for centrefire crack flares. I could keep the crack flare in the left barrel and......
.....one of these in the right barrel.
Umm, no, bear bangers are not corrosive. It's essentially a mini-grenade with a plastic case shot with a timed fuse launched with a very low powder charge. The only part of the charge that comes into contact with the bore of the shotgun is the plastic shell of the charge. And as far as fires, they are designed specifically to have limited chance of causing fires. They are used extensively by parks rangers and fish and wildlife officers, and are considered quite safe in most regards. These are not "new things" but have been used for decades safely, and successfully.
12 guage flares, on the other hand... totally different story. Corrosive as all get out, and as for fire hazard? Well, it's a freaking flare. Shoot up. Directly up. Not "at" anything that you would prefer remain in a non-carbonized state.
With both you have to make sure you're using a cylinder bore shotgun. If a flare gets stuck in the bore of a full choke shotgun, it will burn a hole in the barrel. If a bear banger gets stuck, well... I'm not sure actually, but I doubt that even a small flash-bang type device going off inside your barrel would improve the condition of the bore. Unless you're going for that "fluted" look.
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Very nicely said
....I also would be packing my Mossberg M590A1 14" bbl, Ghost ring sight, Speedfeed +4 stock. I absolutely LOVE the M590A1, an All American battle tank build for combat.Lol, those POS Chinese copies wouldnt be my first choice, however my M-14S Ive owned for over 10 years, fired Thousands of rounds through, with Zero malfuctions of any kind, Props to Norinco for making my M14
But the Norinco HP-9 14" 870 copy is a very good "beater" that you can store away well oiled with brand new quality springs, better than nothing, and for $399, its not too bad.
Taking my flawless 14" M590A1 into harsh conditions would worry me some lol...oh no, did that branch just scratch the finish lol
A 9-shot full size 20" Mossberg M590A1 reigns Supreme, next to the Benelli M4 Super 90
+1 for this...best comment I've read this week...
The charge contains potasium perchlorate... The charge is in a plastic canister that goes down the barrel. The charge does not go off inside the barrel, but 150 feet downrange. That is not leaving Potassium Chlorate residue in the barrel.
And even if it were leaving residue behind in the barrel, so what? Clean your gun. No worse (probably much, much less bad, actually), than firing corrosively primed surplus ammo.
Very nicely said
Lol, those POS Chinese copies wouldnt be my first choice, however my M-14S Ive owned for over 10 years, fired Thousands of rounds through, with Zero malfuctions of any kind, Props to Norinco for making my M14
But the Norinco HP-9 14" 870 copy is a very good "beater" that you can store away well oiled with brand new quality springs, better than nothing, and for $399, its not too bad.
Taking my flawless 14" M590A1 into harsh conditions would worry me some lol...oh no, did that branch just scratch the finish lol
A 9-shot full size 20" Mossberg M590A1 reigns Supreme, next to the Benelli M4 Super 90
I bought mine used for roughly $100 more than a D/A. They get some character after a few bush scratches......kinda like a truck.
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That's an interesting question, I don't know.
I do know that cracker shells (bear bangers) can have unintended consequences. A big one is that in dry conditions they can start fires. If you shoot them in a conventional shotgun, clean the bore in hot soapy water ASAP, they are corrosive. Practice with them before you go out in the field. If you lob a cracker shell past the bear, guess which way he'll come. If he's within the range at which the cracker will explode, pop it up in the air above him.
This pic illustrates the potential for firing a cracker shell behind the bear, that's the cracker over his shoulder, and it exploded just behind his rump . . .
The idea of pump shotguns with very short barrels makes me uncomfortable. Imagine you encounter a bear that you have to shoot on a cold wet day. Your hands are numb with cold, and the forend of the gun is slippery. You fire your first round, its not enough, so you cycle the gun as hard as you can, first to ensure you don't short stroke it, and secondly because you're scared, then your support hand slides past the forend, and is in front of the muzzle at the moment you fire! Shoulder a shotgun and reach as far forward as you can along the barrel with your support hand. That's an indication of how long the barrel should be. If we could have short barreled auto loaders, that would be fine, a short barrel double gun is fine, but not a pump.
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Yes.....that Polar Bear would make me sh@t my pants....and a short barrel 12GA firing slow and sluggish 1.oz deer slugs would be much better than 000 Buckshot .....thats why the Ultimate choice, Hands down.....is a Springfield M1A SOCOM 16 with 20-shot mags loaded with super charged Premium bonded 150 gr. JSP ....20 shots of .308 Win in a super light weight, super accurate & reliable semi-auto cant be beaten...in my opinion.
Second choice is a Marlin 1985 SBL Guide Gun in the Massive .45-70 Govt loaded with CORBON 400 grain JHP @ 1,850 FPS.....Outch!!!!
But I'd be packing a synthetic SOCOM 16 with 20-shot mags of premium bonded jacketed soft points, and 4 spare fully charged mags, food&water, stimulants, and medical supplies
Second choice is a Marlin 1985 SBL Guide Gun in the Massive .45-70 Govt loaded with CORBON 400 grain JHP @ 1,850 FPS.....Outch!!!!
But I'd be packing a synthetic SOCOM 16 with 20-shot mags of premium bonded jacketed soft points, and 4 spare fully charged mags, food&water, stimulants, and medical supplies
Corwin Arms sells a nicely made 13" 12 ga. that will fold over center. Its worth you consideration.
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- The Badlands
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A shotgun in the bush isn't going to raise too many eyebrows. And if anyone asks just tell them what it's for - bear defence. Just don't walk around in ready carry/port arms.
An advantage to a short barrel pump is that it's almost designed for African Carry. So you can have it slung with an empty chamber (very safe), but be up, pumped, and ready to shoot in under 2 seconds with minimal practice.
An advantage to a short barrel pump is that it's almost designed for African Carry. So you can have it slung with an empty chamber (very safe), but be up, pumped, and ready to shoot in under 2 seconds with minimal practice.
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Very true....good points.
Thats how I carry my shotgun too, while out in the wilderness. Empty chamber, fully charged magazine tube, safety on. Takes two seconds to snap safety off, and rack the pump. Very safe to carry like that.
whoa this threads still goin?
i got a winchester m12 takedown.
packs away nicely.
Heh, nice choice.
And yes, of course it's still going. It's one of the rules of the interent... Once the words "bear defence" and "gun" come up in a thread, it becomes a mandatory 60 post minimum thread of arguments and techniques. One or two more posts and we cross the minimum. After 100 or so, a mod will step in and say *oh no, not this again* and lock it down.
Another method I use is to make safe, dry fire then load the tube. The hammer spring holds the action closed, the gun is safe but can be racked instantly and into action about as fast as you can shoulder it. I don't want to find out how good my fine motor and cognitive skills are while being charged by a fast moving disgruntled care bear
