truck / hike gun

Would like to qualify why I tread into this thread..which I did after consideration and with a reserved well thought intent.
I have no intention of holierthanthou preaching and only hope the info rings true.

I care deeply about the subject. I care deeply about my fellow man, and I care deeply about the consequences.

At 50+yrs and with significant experience working with/around firearms professionally/personally. Soldier, hunter, shooter, competitor and a professional paramedic for 26yrs I have personally bore witness to many "accidental" discharges and injury/death. Family, friends, relatives, co workers, patients.
In EVERY case where someone gets "accidentally" shot one of the 3 basic rules got neglected...almost all "accidental" weapons discharges are avoidable with the 3 rules.
I've seen soldiers, cops, security officers, guards, hunters, target shooters, criminals "accidentally" shoot themselves and others on many occasions. It ALWAYS involved one or more of the 3 rules being neglected.


I'll close by observing how awesome it is to live and be free in this great country where how to exercise our freedom and in what manner...... is a topic of public discussion.....Thanks to all those before us who laid it down for the rest of us......Freedom wasn't and isn't Free.

Nothing wrong with the 3 rules.
In my mind the basic thinking behind keeping your trigger finger away from the trigger until ready to fire is mostly aimed at somebody accidentally pulling the trigger because of a muscle twitch or fall.
No doubt it is good practice for general firearms handling.

If I'm faced with an angry bear, that is coming in fast or very close I would have no problems keeping the gun faced in a safe, or on target direction and pulling the trigger intentionally to release the action. If the situation allows for using the action release even better, I just think a person should know the quickest way if needed and I don't see a safety issue with an intentional trigger pull in this scenario.

It really boils down to finding and sticking to one system.
 
just a side note as my memory just provided this info to me......

The standard procedure for an 870 in a cruiser has always been empty chamber because an 870 is not drop safe. You smack it hard and the hammer can fall.
 
Nothing wrong with the 3 rules.
In my mind the basic thinking behind keeping your trigger finger away from the trigger until ready to fire is mostly aimed at somebody accidentally pulling the trigger because of a muscle twitch or fall.
No doubt it is good practice for general firearms handling.

If I'm faced with an angry bear, that is coming in fast or very close I would have no problems keeping the gun faced in a safe, or on target direction and pulling the trigger intentionally to release the action. If the situation allows for using the action release even better, I just think a person should know the quickest way if needed and I don't see a safety issue with an intentional trigger pull in this scenario.

It really boils down to finding and sticking to one system.

Qualified as such I agree ....... I was envisioning reaching for the shotgun...from scabbard, slung, sleepin bag, pack etc...which are likely scenarios with bears.....and simply pullin the trigger, rackin' the slide while deploying the gun. This will occur when U are off guard and maybe even resting/asleep...your judgement in when/if the muzzle is clear may not be optimal is entirely likely.

I stand by the racked empty chamber/bolt locked thing tho. The bolt should stay closed/locked when carried in the field....nothing good can come by it getting open.....only bad things from minor to complete inability to load/fire.


Can-Down Not slaggin' ya one bit...or anyone else. I don't intend to offend or rip at my fellow CGNrs....seriously just sharin' what was drilled into me by very respected teachers....and has served well.
My commentary may well be perceived preachy, holier than, not intended to but perception is reality.
Anything taught, learned, experienced, gleaned simply gets taken in..with a grain or more of salt....and added to the ole' hardrive for decision making.

The topic is serious and I have seen the results as I mentioned many times unfortunately. I've carried loaded weapons in the field professionally in the past.... as well as dealt with and will deal with the aftermath of many AD's. A lot of these occured with inexperienced operators who were grossly negligent...... BUT it does happen to experienced operators....and it always violated one or more of the 3....assumption it was unloaded, muzzle covered something vulnerable....and the trigger got pulled without the intent of it going off.


And the bit about freedom.....I recently lost my grandfather. Among the many things he did for me was teach me to shoot, and handle a gun. He fought through WW2.
He never touched a gun after the war...other than to teach his kids and grandkids. He wasn't a gun enthusiast prior to or after the war...he hunted with one as a child and teen simply to eat.....grew up rural on the prairies under hard times. He impressed on us the value of freedom and how hard earned it has been...and will continue to be.
I always associate the freedom to have/use firearms and our general freedoms with him...and now the recent group of combat veterans much younger than myself who I work/associate with....and the reference just jumps out. Always will.
 
Now , during transport I am aware that it must be unloaded and out of sight. My question is , is there any reason that I couldn't have ammo in the sidesaddle of my unloaded and out of sight shotgun during transport ?
 
Now , during transport I am aware that it must be unloaded and out of sight. My question is , is there any reason that I couldn't have ammo in the sidesaddle of my unloaded and out of sight shotgun during transport ?
I often transport my Mosin with 9 rounds in its shell caddy too, not sure myself if that is alright either...
 
Check your provincial regs. In Alberta we are allowed to have a loaded firearm in a vehicle that is occupied if the firearm is for vicious animal defence. Use your common sense here, there are no vicious animals driving around town. But this allows me to have rounds in a firearm in a vehicle I occupy in the bush. Technically you could have a round in the chamber but I'm sure everyone will agree that is blatantly stupid. I clear the chamber when I get back in but keep the tube loaded. Its nice when you're stuck and winching out, especially when I'm in prime bear/wolf territory as I was Saturday night. But again this is Alberta's rules and may be different in other provinces/territories.

Now , during transport I am aware that it must be unloaded and out of sight. My question is , is there any reason that I couldn't have ammo in the sidesaddle of my unloaded and out of sight shotgun during transport ?
 
Yeah there is a wolf prowling our campground and surrounding area. I really wanted to bring my 12ga last weekend but not allowed in provincial parks....
 
Yeah , I'm talking just in the sidesaddle , not even in the mag tube. I'm also not talking about driving around downtown Toronto but rural setting , could an LEO accuse of unsafe storage of ammo ?
 
Driving you follow the transport rules not storage.
No trigger lock needed and it does not have to be out of sight.
If its unloaded its good to go. Ammo can be sitting on the seat touching the gun so I don't see why a side saddle would be an issue
 
Again, I would recommend checking local regs. I've been told that rounds in a cuff/sidesaddle are considered a loaded weapon. Basically if live rounds are touching the firearm it can be considered loaded. Maybe an LEO could chime in but it may be up to the discretion of the officer. The way I treat it is if I'm transporting for any purpose other than animal defence then I keep the ammo stored separately. If I'm out in the bush then I'm okay having a gun loaded in the truck, empty chamber and never left unattended. I'll never drive in public with loaded or visible guns. We've all seen the sh!tstorm one sheeple can turn that into. Just use your common sense and follow the laws in the most literal way. Avoid bending definitions or going with articulated interpretations. That has always kept me out of trouble. Also to be clear, Alberta does not allow loaded firearms in a vehicle for the purpose of hunting and I think that's pretty much North America wide. Hunting firearms remain unloaded until I'm out of the vehicle.

Yeah , I'm talking just in the sidesaddle , not even in the mag tube. I'm also not talking about driving around downtown Toronto but rural setting , could an LEO accuse of unsafe storage of ammo ?
 
Definitely different around the country....and certainly differently enforced as well.

I know in ON you will get charged for rds that are attached to the gun...they "interpret" on/in the same.
One of the reasons I went from a sidesaddle to a nylon sleeve style buttstock carrier.
 
Yeah there is a wolf prowling our campground and surrounding area. I really wanted to bring my 12ga last weekend but not allowed in provincial parks....

Since when? I was always taught you could have one as long it was unloaded within (I think) 300 meters of a built up area or campground. Please correct if I'm wrong.
 
Definitely different around the country....and certainly differently enforced as well.

I know in ON you will get charged for rds that are attached to the gun...they "interpret" on/in the same.
One of the reasons I went from a sidesaddle to a nylon sleeve style buttstock carrier.

That ambiguity is a great reason to go with the velcro side saddles. From separate to attached without slowing you down at all. Almost like the "on the gun" interpretation of the law as loaded is pointless.
 
That ambiguity is a great reason to go with the velcro side saddles. From separate to attached without slowing you down at all. Almost like the "on the gun" interpretation of the law as loaded is pointless.

Yup. Velcro and or elastic nylon slipons....easy/quick/discreet on/off
 
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