Trudeau and Blair BAN 12 Gauge and 10 Gauge SHOTGUNS!

Farris Bueller said:
......The woman Carrie that answered let me know that the 12 gauge and 10 gauge are not considered to be on the banned list. ...
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That's nice but the OiC trumps whatever interpretation any CFO (or indeed the CFP) may have. The entire point of an Order in Council is to specifically remove any discretion by anyone in the enforcement of its contents. Carrie at the CFO may believe her word or letter - or the word from her supervisor or department head - is enough, but it isn't.
 
sirhcchris said:
Well I'm certainly not trying to make anyone look bad, I read the CSSA legal opinion and had to check it for myself. The choke being the narrow part, I thought it would be a good idea to check it for myself with a tool used for just that. I didn't think that was misinformation as i do trust the CSSA being a member. And I'll certainly trust calipers...

Have your read the CSSA legal opinion?
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The problem is that all these goofy fudds think that their opinion of what constitutes a firearm and it’s components supersedes the rcmp classification testing standards and legal definitions outlined in the firearms act. If charged, not a thing they say would form a coherent legal defence. The police will have to conform to the letter of the law and fudd opinions will be laughed at if trialled. The flip side is not adhering to this standard may require new precedent be set for testing and classification.

To note how silly this all is I still haven’t found anything that would exempt the 12 pound naval cannon in Stanley park. Now there is a REAL weapon of war!
 
BCreserveMP said:
That's nice but the OiC trumps whatever interpretation any CFO (or indeed the CFP) may have. The entire point of an Order in Council is to specifically remove any discretion by anyone in the enforcement of its contents. Carrie at the CFO may believe her word or letter - or the word from her supervisor or department head - is enough, but it isn't.
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If the CFO sends me an updated letter telling me that my shotgun is good to go, then I consider myself covered to go hunting. I will also be calling to request an FRT for a few shotguns as of the time they can produce one. Like I said in my previous statement I don’t believe the liberal idiots of this country for one second. But I’m not going to sit at home with my 12 gauge tucked between my legs because I’m afraid of Johnny law.
 
Farris Bueller said:
If the CFO sends me an updated letter telling me that my shotgun is good to go, then I consider myself covered to go hunting. I will also be calling to request an FRT for a few shotguns as of the time they can produce one. Like I said in my previous statement I don’t believe the liberal idiots of this country for one second. But I’m not going to sit at home with my 12 gauge tucked between my legs because I’m afraid of Johnny law.
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The issue is you asked the wrong question when you called, call back and ask this

Buller: Are all firearms with a bore over 20mm prohibated?

Min wage secretary: yes

Buller: my 12 gauge has a bore of 21mm with the choke removed is it prohibated?

Min wage secretary: of course not 12 gauge was not prohib the minister tweeted it

Buller: great, can you send me a letter saying that

Min wage secretary: no, here is the link to the OIC saying it is prohib, but I am telling you it is not and will not provide you evidence of such and will not testify to it in court


Also its not all 12 gauge, its only one with removable chokes that measure greater than 20mm when the chokes are removed

Shawn
 
People still don't want to believe it. This is not fear mongering, but people are pointing out what the OIC actually said.

People are trying to believe what other people said about the OIC, instead of reading what the OIC is actually saying!

The OIC is saying anything over 20mm. 12ga > 20mm That is the fact. You cannot argue 20.66mm is smaller than 20mm.

Come back down to earth - CFC, Blair, RCMP....can say NOW 12ga shotgun is not "supposed" to be banned, but 1 year from now they can say "ooops, the OIC did say anything over 20mm, and it is the LAW. SORRY".

What they say is not important, what the OIC actually said is what it matters.

It is like driving over 120km/h on a 100km/h highway. Cops generally do not ticket people over that, but they DO do that and it is perfect legal for them to do it by the law. You have no defence just because someone said in general driving 120km/h is OK.
 
greentips said:
People still don't want to believe it. This is not fear mongering, but people are pointing out what the OIC actually said.

People are trying to believe what other people said about the OIC, instead of reading what the OIC is actually saying!

The OIC is saying anything over 20mm. 12ga > 20mm That is the fact. You cannot argue 20.66mm is smaller than 20mm.

Come back down to earth - CFC, Blair, RCMP....can say NOW 12ga shotgun is not "supposed" to be banned, but 1 year from now they can say "ooops, the OIC did say anything over 20mm, and it is the LAW. SORRY".

What they say is not important, what the OIC actually said is what it matters.

It is like driving over 120km/h on a 100km/h highway. Cops generally do not ticket people over that, but they DO do that and it is perfect legal for them to do it by the law. You have no defence just because someone said in general driving 120km/h is OK.
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The issue is a lot of people are confused over where the bore measurement is taken. I've only seen one post indicate how the firearms act says it is actually supposed to be measured, which says WITHOUT removable chokes installed. Most people haven't read/seen this and just assume they can go by the nominal/SAAMI bore diameters. I don't think the CSSA referred to or mentioned the proper measuring standards according to Canadian laws in their report either. The fact there are like 6 different threads on exactly this matter doesn't help...
 
russm86 said:
The issue is a lot of people are confused over where the bore measurement is taken. I've only seen one post indicate how the firearms act says it is actually supposed to be measured, which says WITHOUT removable chokes installed. Most people haven't read/seen this and just assume they can go by the nominal/SAAMI bore diameters. I don't think the CSSA referred to or mentioned the proper measuring standards according to Canadian laws in their report either. The fact there are like 6 different threads on exactly this matter doesn't help...
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that is because there is NO STANDARD for measuring the diameter of the Bore, only the length of the barrel in the FA/CC/OIC's. The FA/CC/OIC's do not define HOW a bore will be measured or WHERE it will be measured and lastly HOW MUCH of it will be measured. There is NO CASELAW on this. That means, the interpretation will be LEFT UP TO THE COURT to decide. That means someone will be charged and put before the courts. The Crown will bring in SME's to give opinion evidence, the defence will rebut and possibly bring in their own SME's and then the Judge will have to decide the interpretation. It will become a precedent unless appealed. If appealed, it will go up the appeals process to the Appeals Court and possibly eventually to the SCC where it will be solidified as Canadian law.

The same thing happened with 30 round AR magazine bodies. with no guts in them, they are still deemed to be High Capacity Magazines due to case law.

Boltgun
 
Since bore is not defined in law a layman definition would be used.
Bore, in weaponry, the interior of the barrel of a gun or firearm.
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The bore is largest diameter of barrel without any accessories installed pretty simple.
 
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I asked all the relevant questions, I was satisfied with the woman’s answers. We as PAL and RPAL owners will all receive letters pertaining to the new bull shyt ban soon enough. But until then I am still taking my Remington Versa Max out Turkey hunting. Over 20mm or not. No one will tell me different. Just thought I’d clarify.
 
Just wait, that greasy gun-grabbing scumbag is going to clear up this "confusion" by laying the second ban hammer on all long-guns and handguns. I think they know exactly what they're doing and have made it ambiguous intentionally.
 
" Who needs such a powerful weapon that leaves soccer ball size exit wounds as 12ga weapons do?" or

"Who needs sniper rifles designed to take down a human being from 2 km distance?"

The communist party of Canada has inexhaustable arsenal of catch phrases they can use to justify their 20mm loophole designed to take our shotguns whenever they see it fit.
 
The police will be instructed to ignore arresting people with 12 gauge or greater shotguns as that would be play into the opposition's hands and this is exactly what this post is about.
Someone has paid Burlew to find some lawyer holes in Turdy's OICban.
 
anton520b said:
" Who needs such a powerful weapon that leaves soccer ball size exit wounds as 12ga weapons do?" or

"Who needs sniper rifles designed to take down a human being from 2 km distance?"

The communist party of Canada has inexhaustable arsenal of catch phrases they can use to justify their 20mm loophole designed to take our shotguns whenever they see it fit.
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In Richmond BC 50%+ of the population is Chinese. They all left China for Canada. They vote Conservative blue every time because they don't want Canada to become China. They didn't leave China for China.
The left is filled with a bunch of idiots who hate China, yet want Canada to become China.
 
Farris Bueller said:
I asked all the relevant questions, I was satisfied with the woman’s answers. We as PAL and RPAL owners will all receive letters pertaining to the new bull shyt ban soon enough. But until then I am still taking my Remington Versa Max out Turkey hunting. Over 20mm or not. No one will tell me different. Just thought I’d clarify.
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That's the problem. Given what Blair has said, he would have directed the RCMP to not send out letter to shotgun owners - why? because not everyone would have caught that. Also, good luck trying to find that list of shotgun owners. So they would have found out once the police were using the knowledge of the choke/bore sizing for a while and putting people before the courts.
 
Wild_Thing said:
The police will be instructed to ignore arresting people with 12 gauge or greater shotguns as that would be play into the opposition's hands and this is exactly what this post is about.
Someone has paid Burlew to find some lawyer holes in Turdy's OICban.
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so I wouldn't count on that. When it comes to Guns and Gangs, the cops will use almost every loophole they can.
 
misher said:
In Richmond BC 50%+ of the population is Chinese. They all left China for Canada. They vote Conservative blue every time because they don't want Canada to become China. They didn't leave China for China.
The left is filled with a bunch of idiots who hate China, yet want Canada to become China.
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For Sure! There are plenty of liberal communist places for people to go to, but aside from certain states, there are very few places for those of us who appreciate freedom and liberty to go.
 
All shotguns that can shoot massive 12ga or bigger, banned in Canada via loopholes that allow for such ban anytime they feel like, or when they need to laugh their guts out some more!! Trudeau says, all he wants is to protect Canadians! In their private gatherings they make toasts with champagne and then grab their stomachs while laughing without control...
 
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