Trudeau and Blair BAN 12 Gauge and 10 Gauge SHOTGUNS!

easysauce said:
technically and now legally yes, that makes all 12g shotguns banned.

or is it double banned?

maybe we had better triple plus ban them just to be safe
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We should just start charging and arresting people who leave their houses. Much easier to enforce compliance. Don’t worry about overpopulating the prisons, we can always vacate the current occupants.
 
A_Modest_Proposal said:
We should just start charging and arresting people who leave their houses. Much easier to enforce compliance. Don’t worry about overpopulating the prisons, we can always vacate the current occupants.
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start? where have you been for the past few months...

We had one of the liberal party leaders calling for people to be shot if they left quarantine
 
A_Modest_Proposal said:
“We recognize industry standards and saami specifications, which state nominal bore size for 12 and 10 gauge shotguns” - Rcmp/liberals
“We classify the ar-15 as a sports rifle” - saami

Well now, which one is it going to be?
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I didn’t know SAAMI classified rifles. They develop standards for cartridges and chambers, but they don’t classify the firearms. Maybe you’re thinking of the NSSF, who qualified the AR-15 as a «#modern sporting rifle#» in 2009, but that’s for marketing purposes.
 
Geotop said:
Do we know when this update was added to the RCMP site ?

"Important notice: Update on 10 and 12 gauge shotgun classification under the new prohibition"

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firea...-new-prohibition-certain-firearms-and-devices
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this really just eff's us in the @ss with no lube. WHY???

Accordingly, it is the CFP's view that, in accordance with acceptable firearms industry standards for shotguns, the bore diameter measurement is considered to be at a point after the chamber, but before the choke.

Further, in making classification assessments of firearms which are reflected in the FRT, the CFP relies on recognized industry standard measurements. With respect to 10ga and 12ga shotguns, the CFP recognizes the SAAMI standard specifications which establish that the nominal (i.e. standard) bore diameter measurements for 10ga and 12ga shotguns are below the 20mm threshold (19.69mm for 10ga, 18.42mm for 12ga).
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a point forward of the chamber?? where is this point? forward of the chamber is the forcing cone, the forcing cone starts at the the same diameter of the chamber and restricts until it reaches the diameter of the bore, this definition makes EVERY shotgun illegal. then they speak of "nominal" standard bore, what about over bored??(backbore)
 
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Big-boss-man said:
this really just eff's us in the @ss with no lube. WHY???

a point forward of the chamber?? where is this point? forward of the chamber is the forcing cone, the forcing cone starts at the the same diameter of the chamber and restricts until it reaches the diameter of the bore, this definition makes EVERY shotgun illegal. then they speak of "nominal" standard bore, what about over bored??
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The forcing cone (or chamber leade) is part of the chamber. (See chamber leade in the SAAMI glossary).
 
Hackenbeck said:
The forcing cone (or chamber leade) is part of the chamber. (See chamber leade in the SAAMI glossary).
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sorry budd. chamber leade is for a rifled barrel

The conical transitional zone of the chamber between the forward end of the casemouth, or free-bore if present, and the end of the taper into the rifling
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https://saami.org/glossary/chamber-leade/


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Forcing Cone
1. The tapered leade from the shotgun chamber diameter to the bore diameter. 2. The tapered leade from the bore diameter to the choke diameter. 3. The tapered entrance to the bore in the rear of a revolver barrel.
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Breach end________________________________________-loaded chamber-_________________-forcing cone-____________-bore proper----->Forcing cone____Choke
 

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Your right, misinterpreted that part. But the forcing cone is defined as such :

Forcing cone - The tapered section at the front end of a shotgun chamber by which the diameter of the front end of the chamber is reduced to bore diameter. (https://projects.nfstc.org/firearms/glossary.htm#F)

Therefore one should conclude that the bore diameter starts after the forcing cone.

Also the RCMP recognizes the measurements to classify a firearm as the nominal measurements, being under 20mm for both 10 and 12ga. Back bore or not, forcing cone or not, they recognize a 10ga shot as having a 19.69mm bore and a 12ga shotgun as having a 18.42mm bore.

The law should be revised accordingly so as to leave as little room for interpretation as possible, but I don’t believe anyone is at risk of being arrested by a police officer simply for having an otherwise legal shotgun in their possession (unless some other criteria were to make it so of course...)
 
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Hackenbeck said:
I didn’t know SAAMI classified rifles. They develop standards for cartridges and chambers, but they don’t classify the firearms. Maybe you’re thinking of the NSSF, who qualified the AR-15 as a «#modern sporting rifle#» in 2009, but that’s for marketing purposes.
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You are right. I was paraphrasing both statements. While saami does not classify firearms it does maintain the chambering of the .223 round. Given that saami stands for Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, originally the AR-15 was chambered in .223, and the .223 Remington was later accepted into the saami standards the humorous assumption is that the AR-15 would be considered a sporting rifle as is consistent with most of the industry. Note that I am aware 5.56 nato is not in the saami standard and was developed much later.

Also the literal statement “Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules” would again ban the 12ga based on the 12gfh round even though I am aware that no official is going to consider wildcat cartridges as part of any enforcement. rather any exceptions to the ongoing narrative will be ignored.
 
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easysauce said:
technically and now legally yes, that makes all 12g shotguns banned.

or is it double banned?

maybe we had better triple plus ban them just to be safe
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Pretty soon I believe semi-auto 12G will be triple banned. Once for semi-auto, once for barrel diameter, once for energy.

Duck shotgun will be more banned than an AR.
 
Hackenbeck said:
Your right, misinterpreted that part. But the forcing cone is defined as such :

Forcing cone - The tapered section at the front end of a shotgun chamber by which the diameter of the front end of the chamber is reduced to bore diameter. (https://projects.nfstc.org/firearms/glossary.htm#F)

Therefore one should conclude that the bore diameter starts after the forcing cone.

Also the RCMP recognizes the measurements to classify a firearm as the nominal measurements, being under 20mm for both 10 and 12ga. Back bore or not, forcing cone or not, they recognize a 10ga shot as having a 19.69mm bore and a 12ga shotgun as having a 18.42mm bore.

The law should be revised accordingly so as to leave as little room for interpretation as possible, but I don’t believe anyone is at risk of being arrested by a police officer simply for having an otherwise legal shotgun in their possession (unless some other criteria were to make it so of course...)
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saami defines it this way:

1. The tapered leade from the shotgun chamber diameter to the bore diameter. 2. The tapered leade from the bore diameter to the choke diameter. 3. The tapered entrance to the bore in the rear of a revolver barrel.
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and the rcmp said the bore starts at a point after the chamber. could be a nanometer after could be 18 inches after no one knows its a point, but according to them it could be in the forcing cone area, since the forcing cone is at a point after the chamber.

so no the law should not be revised it should be slapped down like that little B!tch Trudo and Bill B-Liar both need.
 
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easysauce said:
according to trudeau... by OIC anything capable of discharging a 10k joule plus round is prohibited.

Shotguns can discharge both 50 bmg as well as other rounds that have above said 10k limit
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Trudeau stated 12ga shotguns were prohibited? Where?
 
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