Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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joe-nwt said:
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Quite right. However, if they don't get enough of a fight with the AR's, and are successful, handguns will be the next bite they take directly without going through the municipalities.
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On that point there should be no doubt!

They've wanted to do it for decades. It might have been political suicide to do so in the first term. Second term, all bets are off. Given the opportunity, they will pull the trigger, so to speak. What would they have to lose at that point?[/QUOTE]

Only their third term. This isn't a two term limit system like the US.
 
RK99 said:
The right wants to remove women's reproductive rights. It's no secret. Look at what's happening south of the border. There's a push for that here in Canada by many people who have supported Scheer. As for the environment listen to all the scientists who actually know what they are talking about. You don't know you ignorant fartwaffles. Look up Dunning Kruger. I'm sick and tired of people who think they know better than the experts. But hey, you have your right wing media and Google. That's better than the science and the people who have actually been studying this for decades. You can call me a troll all you but all I see are abunch of whiney entitled and ignorant people without a clue what they are talking about. Good luck to all of you.
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Have as many abortions as you want. Nobody cares! As soon as someone devolves into “the cons are bad” garbage about abortion or hidden agendas you know exactly who you are dealing with.
There are two types of people in this world.
Those that want to be left alone.
And those who will not leave them alone.
I know which type you are. Now go vote for that blackfaced freak.
 
RK99 said:
The right wants to remove women's reproductive rights. It's no secret. Look at what's happening south of the border. There's a push for that here in Canada by many people who have supported Scheer. As for the environment listen to all the scientists who actually know what they are talking about. You don't know you ignorant fartwaffles. Look up Dunning Kruger. I'm sick and tired of people who think they know better than the experts. But hey, you have your right wing media and Google. That's better than the science and the people who have actually been studying this for decades. You can call me a troll all you but all I see are abunch of whiney entitled and ignorant people without a clue what they are talking about. Good luck to all of you.
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The "experts" hahaha lol. You have been indoctrinated. Go watch more CNN.
 
RK99 said:
If you can't understand basic math from the tables you yourself linked to then I can't help you. The numbers are right there and they came from Stats Canada. As for the other issues, the Cons make no secret of their science denial and climate change skepticism. It started with Harper and Scheer is talking bull#### when he says he wants to make moves on climate change. It's typical lies to win votes. They are the party that cares the least about the environment and will do nothing if elected. Women's rights? How many in the party and it's supporters want to re-open the abortion debate? That should be settled but the right can't let it go. The Conservatives have moved far right into populist type thinking that only divides people and causes more problems. Scheer wants tax cuts and a balanced budget. Can't have both. Harper made lots of tax cuts and then ran 6 years of deficits, finally cutting services drastically to eliminate the deficit. Say goodbye to health care, pensions, veterans support, the coast guard, military spending etc. They used to be progressive conservatives but are no longer so. Even many high profile members of the party and former PMs won't support them anymore. But hey, they'll let you keep your guns. Who cares what else the screw up?

I'm done. You all have your minds made up and refuse to look past your biases. I don't need any lessons on looking at data and analyzing it. I've got 25 years of science experience and know how to think rationally and look at numbers. If you guys just can't or don't want to get it then good luck with fighting a ban or anything else. The angry irrational responses here won't win you any arguments or get people on your side. They'll just look at gun owners as crazies and feel less inclined to support you or listen to what you have to say. Good luck.
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Yes, the numbers are right there, they came from stats canada. And yet you keep presenting the numbers from a fake news article.

I definitely picked a single random country to illustrate a point. The point being that ALL of the numbers in your fake news article were subject to revision, and were in fact revised, which means the entire statistical basis of your article is flawed.

Further you have completely ignored all of the logical and philosophical issues with the argument presented in that article.

Namely that using foreign investment as a proxy for tax fraud is a big non sequitor.
And second, Statscan gets their data from CRA, which by definition means that the dollars we are talking about have been lawfully disclosed and taxed properly.

Its disingenuous to say that the Cons deny science. Its not that they don't believe in science, is that they have publicly decided to govern based on ideological beliefs, such as right and wrong. You may or may not like that system of governance, and personally I don't really like it either, but they are very open about it, and generally consistent. Contrast that with the Liberals, who CLAIM to be the party of science and evidence based policy making, and then judge them on their track record where they have basically failed in every single major policy area to live up to that principle. The least of all in the gun control realm.

Your meandering posts that avoid responding to direct criticism of your statements and attempts to change the channel to other issues where you make absolutely claims without evidence change subjects midstream or descend into ad hominem is indicative of a person who is trying to construct an argument to arrive at a predetermined position, rather than looking sincerely at evidence and going where the facts take you.

If you think that Andrew Scheer is a populist leader, then you should invest some money in a free online dictionary. He has many faults, but populism is not one of them. Again, that is the liberal kettle calling the pot black, while wearing blackface.

Normally I'd suffice to say this is classic millennialism and leave it at that. But since there is an election on, I can't help but point out that this is basically the same appeal to science while making ideological decisions that the liberals have repeatedly made, and I can see why you would feel so comfortable voting for them, despite the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. You are letting what FEELS true stand as a surrogate for whats actually real.

In any event, looking at the rest of your post, I'm reminded of one of the first things my philosophy professor taught me: Arguments presented without any evidence can similarly be dismissed without evidence. Given that most of your post reads as an uninformed rant, strangely devoid of any more fake news or contrived stats (curious for a self expressed scientist), I see no need to address the rest of it, other than to say, I agree that both Scheer and Trudeau will make an absolute mess of everything, but at least with Scheer, for the time being, I will legally own guns.

And as long as I own guns, no one can force me to do something against my will. The only way to get me to cooperate, is to convince, based on evidence, science, and sound reasoning. If you feel frustrated at your lack of ability to influence other's opinions, then you should re-examine what you have offered here and correct any deficiencies. I welcome you to try again.
 
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Cameron SS said:
Only their third term. This isn't a two term limit system like the US.
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I think even the LPC realize their second term might be their third term. If they get in, something will get banned. Getting people's hopes up that this may be an empty threat/promise is foolish.

Hopefully they are on their third term right now.
 
joe-nwt said:
I think even the LPC realize their second term might be their third term. If they get in, something will get banned. Getting people's hopes up that this may be an empty threat/promise is foolish.

Hopefully they are on their third term right now.
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I certainly wouldn't advocate anyone get their hopes up that they wouldn't ban something, as hope is usually a poor course of action. Which is why many of us our working full steam right now to help our local non-liberal, and preferably CPC get elected. While I am pretty sure Trudeau won't effectively do anything significant against our community, I certainly would never gamble on such position. For 100 reasons Trudeau has to go. I'm fairly convinced we are headed to minority territory where we will see a handful of elections back to back. Gun control doesn't win anyone the election, but it can help some people lose.

I live deep in Liberal territory, and lately I have been finding that there are a lot of Liberal supports who will be staying home or spoiling ballots because they can't in good conscience support Trudeau, but don't want to vote against the Liberals either. I have pivoted my strategy to try to leverage these sentiment.
 
Cameron SS said:
Yes, the numbers are right there, they came from stats canada. And yet you keep presenting the numbers from a fake news article.

I definitely picked a single random country to illustrate a point. The point being that ALL of the numbers in your fake news article were subject to revision, and were in fact revised, which means the entire statistical basis of your article is flawed.

Further you have completely ignored all of the logical and philosophical issues with the argument presented in that article.

Namely that using foreign investment as a proxy for tax fraud is a big non sequitor.
And second, Statscan gets their data from CRA, which by definition means that the dollars we are talking about have been lawfully disclosed and taxed properly.

Its disingenuous to say that the Cons deny science. Its not that they don't believe in science, is that they have publicly decided to govern based on ideological beliefs, such as right and wrong. You may or may not like that system of governance, and personally I don't really like it either, but they are very open about it, and generally consistent. Contrast that with the Liberals, who CLAIM to be the party of science and evidence based policy making, and then judge them on their track record where they have basically failed in every single major policy area to live up to that principle. The least of all in the gun control realm.

Your meandering posts that avoid responding to direct criticism of your statements and attempts to change the channel to other issues where you make absolutely claims without evidence change subjects midstream or descend into ad hominem is indicative of a person who is trying to construct an argument to arrive at a predetermined position, rather than looking sincerely at evidence and going where the facts take you.

If you think that Andrew Scheer is a populist leader, then you should invest some money in a free online dictionary. He has many faults, but populism is not one of them. Again, that is the liberal kettle calling the pot black, while wearing blackface.

Normally I'd suffice to say this is classic millennialism and leave it at that. But since there is an election on, I can't help but point out that this is basically the same appeal to science while making ideological decisions that the liberals have repeatedly made, and I can see why you would feel so comfortable voting for them, despite the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. You are letting what FEELS true stand as a surrogate for whats actually real.

In any event, looking at the rest of your post, I'm reminded of one of the first things my philosophy professor taught me: Arguments presented without any evidence can similarly be dismissed without evidence. Given that most of your post reads as an uninformed rant, strangely devoid of any more fake news or contrived stats (curious for a self expressed scientist), I see no need to address the rest of it, other than to say, I agree that both Scheer and Trudeau will make an absolute mess of everything, but at least with Scheer, for the time being, I will legally own guns.

And as long as I own guns, no one can force me to do something against my will. The only way to get me to cooperate, is to convince, based on evidence, science, and sound reasoning. If you feel frustrated at your lack of ability to influence other's opinions, then you should re-examine what you have offered here and correct any deficiencies. I welcome you to try again.
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This should be printed off and framed. Post perfection.
 
With all of the carbon emissions happening and the earth warming up, I need to really focus on what gun to use to protect myself and my family for when the dinosaurs come back. Would a 45-70 be enough for an Albertosaurus?
 
As long as it's got a bayo on it, you should be fine. Even better, get a strobe light

Blast-blind-poke.
windage said:
With all of the carbon emissions happening and the earth warming up, I need to really focus on what gun to use to protect myself and my family for when the dinosaurs come back. Would a 45-70 be enough for an Albertosaurus?
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Or is it Blind-Poke-Blast? Yeah, this.
 
macaufoto said:
Hopefully tHis will wake up those hardcore libreal gun owners still dreaming their firearms will be safe. It affects everyone, from Hunters to farmers. No one will be excepted and no firearms will left behind.
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If I had to guess I would say they are already figuring out the quickest route to the police station to turn them in.
 
Well i don't like Scheer, some points in his platform is nothing but a joke. I really don't like our PC candidate, he was in with harper for 6 years and did absolutely nothing. There is a new party I really like, but all that being said, split votes will give trudeau a minority and team up with the ndp then our guns are gone. Regrettably I will be voting pc just so there is no minority for the libtards
 
This^^^

Totally agree with you diver43. Is what it is. I will be voting the same but also see the same problems that you do. He is def not a good candidate. But at this point I also do not see an alternative. So I will be voting PC as well. Cheers
 
windage said:
With all of the carbon emissions happening and the earth warming up, I need to really focus on what gun to use to protect myself and my family for when the dinosaurs come back. Would a 45-70 be enough for an Albertosaurus?
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As the name says: .577 T-Rex!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.577_Tyrannosaur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-ek3bI
 
CoonT said:
This should be printed off and framed. Post perfection.
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As every comment he makes, this guy is a born leader, real guru of knowledge, wisdom and thoughtfulness, good to have a man like this on our side fighting for our just cause.
 
anton520b said:
As every comment he makes, this guy is a born leader, real guru of knowledge, wisdom and thoughtfulness, good to have a man like this on our side fighting for our just cause.
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Thank you for your kind words. And as always, feel free to copy and paste, slice and dice, or share any part of my posts that you find useful in combating all of the uninformed nonsense that is out there.
 
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