Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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kodiakjack said:
Yep. We need to be very careful and intentional this election. There’s no room for mistakes. Not only is there too much at stake for us this election, but defeating a liberal government after a single term has only happened twice in Canadian history. If we can pull this off, it’s a big damn deal.
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You can't defeat a liberal government. It can only defeat itself.

Thank God trudeau didn't waste any time, doing what liberals always seem to eventually do, haha!
 
sharpee said:
is this a joke or is there another one out?
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What the wider population needs to understand is that so far in my 60 years every major gun control initiative has actually led to worse outcomes for gun grabbers. The most dramatic example was the long gun registry that actually led to a huge increase in the number of people buying restricted firearms, the very arms by definition that the grabbers seek to control. This kind of nonsense from even from a grabber perspective has to be understood. They never get it right and the consequences of these initiatives are always worse than expected from even the grabber perspective.
 
Is anyone else starting to feel less then optimistic about this election? Up until now I have felt pretty positively about the conservatives chances but now as we get closer to the election I’m feeling less then optimistic, of course I felt pretty strongly that conservatives would win the last election and they didn’t. I guess it could be more anxiousness then anything
 
Yes, I am very anxiousness but will continue to encourage everyone I know to vote against the gun grabber party. Even if the worse happens I know I will have tried to do something.
 
.45colt said:
Yes, I am very anxiousness but will continue to encourage everyone I know to vote against the gun grabber party. Even if the worse happens I know I will have tried to do something.
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I’m anxious too.

I’ve always enjoyed elections. The spectacle. The spin. The intensity. But this is my first election where there’s such a tangible threat. I mean, there’s always the perceived threat of a certain party winning, and that win affecting me negatively. But this is this fort times it’s been straight up “if we win, we will take seven of your guns away” just like that. And more to follow no doubt.

Not gonna lie, I lost some sleep that first night after the announcement.

But yeah, gonna keep fighting. 3 weeks to go.
 
The writing was on the wall in the 2015 election. The media made Trudeau out to be the second coming of Jesus and even Harper saw the deck was stacked against him and simply reminded Canadians of his 11 year resume as PM. Trudeau just had to stay to the script and he could do no wrong and the MSM would do the rest. But now thats all gone. Trudeau has an actual resume now and it doesnt look good. I think we are in the $80-85 billion range for deficits instead of 40 like promised and an announced platform of massive $80-90 billon deficits in the next 4 years if elected (unless I read that wrong). 2 ethics conviction and piles of broken promises and serious foot in mouth moments. They are even limiting his debates for damage control.

Trudeau will not have the same following he did in 2015, there is no way. He is trying hard to buy this election and it won't work. The gig is up and he is exposed and will have a hard time getting that same following he did. Don't worry about the polls showing a tight race, we should all remember Hillary was 80% to Trump 20% and I feel this is the same story. The media wants us to think it's tight and maybe keep us home, be discouraged or get the Liberal voters to get out en mass on the 21st to beat the Conservatives like 2015.

I feel we are headed for a minority win and it will mean 4 years of stagnant government and the tide will turn eventually to a majority if Scheer can build a positive resume as PM.

I think we have a good plan. Be polite while taking to friends, colleagues, neighbours to vote anything but Liberal.

I had a neighbour that had a Liberal lawn sign up for 2 days the Blackface came out and the sign was gone. The boat is rocking we just need to keep the waves coming!
 
MBaker said:
The writing was on the wall in the 2015 election. The media made Trudeau out to be the second coming of Jesus and even Harper saw the deck was stacked against him and simply reminded Canadians of his 11 year resume as PM. Trudeau just had to stay to the script and he could do no wrong and the MSM would do the rest. But now thats all gone. Trudeau has an actual resume now and it doesnt look good. I think we are in the $80-85 billion range for deficits instead of 40 like promised and an announced platform of massive $80-90 billon deficits in the next 4 years if elected (unless I read that wrong). 2 ethics conviction and piles of broken promises and serious foot in mouth moments. They are even limiting his debates for damage control.

Trudeau will not have the same following he did in 2015, there is no way. He is trying hard to buy this election and it won't work. The gig is up and he is exposed and will have a hard time getting that same following he did. Don't worry about the polls showing a tight race, we should all remember Hillary was 80% to Trump 20% and I feel this is the same story. The media wants us to think it's tight and maybe keep us home, be discouraged or get the Liberal voters to get out en mass on the 21st to beat the Conservatives like 2015.

I feel we are headed for a minority win and it will mean 4 years of stagnant government and the tide will turn eventually to a majority if Scheer can build a positive resume as PM.

I think we have a good plan. Be polite while taking to friends, colleagues, neighbours to vote anything but Liberal.

I had a neighbour that had a Liberal lawn sign up for 2 days the Blackface came out and the sign was gone. The boat is rocking we just need to keep the waves coming!
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Very well put!
 
Some definite underlying anxiety.

The liberals have made it clear that their goal is to ramp up the anti-Canadian agenda. That should make everyone uneasy.
 
Right now on CP24 etc

Putting Legal Gun Owners in the Cross hairs........

A Trudeau Anti Firearms TV special

Trudeau, Bill Blair and the entire menagerie of Anti's ie that doctor etc

Bill Blair just got finished speaking that you cannot arrest or put people in jail to solve the gun crisis.

You have to put in best practices and reduce 'harms that exist in society' by reducing the supply of firearms in Canada in any way you can.........

Now a Liberal headshrinker is explaining that firearms owned legally are the greatest source of psych harm to society through suicides.....

All the speakers talk about United States issues like children being killed by unsafe storage.

Doctors all trying to move as far out of their lane and establish social control over patients personal lives.....state they question women (not men only said when treating women) about spousal verbal abuse or if afraid of partner.

If spouse says yes then next question is if there is a weapon in the house. This only seems to mean gun not any other object etc.

Big deal if child is in house. All set their hair on fire about that.

Coverage of live discussion suddenly cut off when one of the doctors starts talking about problems with the health care system and lack of funding.

Seems Trudeau does not want to talk about that and CP24 does not want to cover it.

Must not have been in the script. ;)
 
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Milanczar said:
Right now on CP24 etc

Putting Legal Gun Owners in the Cross hairs........

A Trudeau Anti Firearms TV special

Trudeau, Bill Blair and the entire menagerie of Anti's ie that doctor etc

Bill Blair just got finished speaking that you cannot arrest or put people in jail to solve the gun crisis.

You have to put in best practices and reduce 'harms that exist in society' by reducing the supply of firearms in Canada in any way you can.........

Now a Liberal headshrinker is explaining that firearms owned legally are the greatest source of psych harm to society through suicides.....

All the speakers talk about United States issues like children being killed by unsafe storage.

Doctors all trying to move as far out of their lane and establish social control over patients personal lives.....state they question women (not men only said when treating women) about spousal verbal abuse or if afraid of partner.

If spouse says yes then next question is if there is a weapon in the house. This only seems to mean gun not any other object etc.

Big deal if child is in house. All set their hair on fire about that.

Coverage of live discussion suddenly cut off when one of the doctors starts talking about problems with the health care system and lack of funding.

Seems Trudeau does not want to talk about that and CP24 does not want to cover it.

Must not have been in the script. ;)
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And yet guns amount to less than 25% of all suicides, and ARs are probably non-existent among suicide by firearms stats.
 
kodiakjack said:
I’m anxious too.

I’ve always enjoyed elections. The spectacle. The spin. The intensity. But this is my first election where there’s such a tangible threat. I mean, there’s always the perceived threat of a certain party winning, and that win affecting me negatively. But this is this fort times it’s been straight up “if we win, we will take seven of your guns away” just like that. And more to follow no doubt.

Not gonna lie, I lost some sleep that first night after the announcement.

But yeah, gonna keep fighting. 3 weeks to go.
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Funny. To me every federal party has always had a section of their program that can be summed up as "Let's ##### VinnyQC in @ss", and where only the type of lubricant to be used (if any) is being debated. I made my choice a long time ago (long before I had guns) that I would never vote liberal, either provincial or federal, so that's obviously settled, but looking at other programs still makes me clench my behind in fear.
 
Oh that’s nice. Silly business model now faces public scrutiny. I guess they figure you won’t vote liberal anyways so might as well appeal to those who do. Quebecers know how to have a voice at the table. To bad when we voted in Harper he didn’t do anything of consequence that we thought we were voting for.
 
MBaker said:
The writing was on the wall in the 2015 election. The media made Trudeau out to be the second coming of Jesus and even Harper saw the deck was stacked against him and simply reminded Canadians of his 11 year resume as PM. Trudeau just had to stay to the script and he could do no wrong and the MSM would do the rest. But now thats all gone. Trudeau has an actual resume now and it doesnt look good. I think we are in the $80-85 billion range for deficits instead of 40 like promised and an announced platform of massive $80-90 billon deficits in the next 4 years if elected (unless I read that wrong). 2 ethics conviction and piles of broken promises and serious foot in mouth moments. They are even limiting his debates for damage control.

Trudeau will not have the same following he did in 2015, there is no way. He is trying hard to buy this election and it won't work. The gig is up and he is exposed and will have a hard time getting that same following he did. Don't worry about the polls showing a tight race, we should all remember Hillary was 80% to Trump 20% and I feel this is the same story. The media wants us to think it's tight and maybe keep us home, be discouraged or get the Liberal voters to get out en mass on the 21st to beat the Conservatives like 2015.

I feel we are headed for a minority win and it will mean 4 years of stagnant government and the tide will turn eventually to a majority if Scheer can build a positive resume as PM.

I think we have a good plan. Be polite while taking to friends, colleagues, neighbours to vote anything but Liberal.

I had a neighbour that had a Liberal lawn sign up for 2 days the Blackface came out and the sign was gone. The boat is rocking we just need to keep the waves coming!
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I agree with all your points above, one thing id like to add is the expected voter turn out.

In the last election we had the highest turn out in almost 20 yrs. We usually average 61% turnout and 2015 was 69%

most of that extra 8% went to JT but it was all on the wave of popularity (Obama Effect)

As you list out quite well, that halo is tarnished.

my assumption is that that CPC gets the same votes they always get and a lot of people that voted for JT will just stay home.

This really levels the paying field for Andrew
 
The Liberals want to
  • Spend over $600 million buying back 1% of Canada's legally owned firearms. Firearms tremendously unlikely to be used in crime.
  • Spend $150 to $250 million per year on camping
  • Spend $50 million per year to guns & gangs and CBSA to combat shooting kids in playgrounds and smuggling
  • Who knows how much your taxes will go up, for the Liberals to reduce everyone's cell phone bills by 25%
  • Catherine McKenna, Minister of Environment and Climate Change, says that more trees means more CO2 and won't help the Paris targets. Justin Trudeau announces he wants to plant 2 billion more trees.
  • Spend pretty much nothing on the social programs that have worked in various countries (Canada, USA, Bermuda)

Yes, they're spending 4x as much on camping, as they are on their constitutional duty to administer justice and their stated 'our most important job is protect communities'.


Camping
"Not to be outdone in the stupidity stakes, the Liberals have come up with a Canadian contender for the 21st century. Justin Trudeau made land in a canoe in Sudbury, Ont., after paddling round a lake for the cameras, to announce a re-elected Liberal government will create $2,000 travel bursaries to send 75,000 families camping for up to four days in a national or provincial park.
-- https://nationalpost.com/news/polit...-stupidity-that-takes-nannyism-to-new-heights


Marcell Wilson, founder One By One (Toronto), said the Liberal's gun seizure policy wouldn't do anything.
On another note, he was upset that politicians were interfering in his, and others, attempts to affect social change via focus on jobs, mediation, de-escalation, and an outreach and a rehabilitation program.
-- https://www.theonebyonemovement.com/

The Liberals said back in 2017/2018 that they'd fund community programs like these, but required that the municipality apply. Toronto filled out the applications, and the list of 'application rejected' barely made the papers. It's in a Toronto committee report, on the Toronto city website.


Bermuda confiscated guns, and gun violence went up 2008-2010.

Since that policy was a dismal failure, they shifted gears.

The government conducted a survey of 10,000 students to identify the young people most vulnerable to these crimes; it found that 4 per cent, or approximately 400 students, fit that definition. The Gang Violence Reduction Team began providing mediation and support sessions in schools. A Violent Reduction Unit took aim at anti-social behaviour while offering mediation, de-escalation, and a prison outreach and rehabilitation program. Its Inter-Agency Gang Enforcement Team holds monthly meetings with police and customs officials, as well as with the departments of education and child and family services. They also adopted a few measures that help people avoid the prison-system funnel: mental-health courts, drug treatment courts, and the decriminalization of small amounts of cannabis. The goal was to move away from locking up the majority of black men who commit lesser crimes.
Since then, there’s been a gun-violence miracle. Over the past four years, the Bermuda Police Service has registered a 45-per-cent decrease in gang murders and gun violence. In 2018, Bermuda saw three firearms deaths, down from nine in 2017 and 14 in 2016.
-- https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-bermudas-50-year-old-gun-ban-can-teach-canada/


Carding.
We've seen multiple news articles with police saying publicly, that carding reduced gun violence in Toronto, and that when they stopped it went up.
Even Bill Blair, ~2006, credited frequent police interactions with likely offenders as the technique that was successful in reducing gun crime.
Police chiefs across the nation have said that a handgun ban is pointless -- probably because they're listening to their officers who are interviewing gang members as they arrest them and virtually all of them talk about getting their guns from smuggling.


Trees
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/tropics-may-now-emit-more-carbon-dioxide-they-absorb
 
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Milanczar said:
Right now on CP24 etc

Bill Blair just got finished speaking that you cannot arrest or put people in jail to solve the gun crisis.
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Police see drop in shootings since launch of 'Project Community Space,' Saunders says

Sept 30 2019
Toronto, Ontario
CP24

Chief Mark Saunders says 35 per cent of the more than 500 charges laid in the first six weeks of ‘Project Community Space’ were related to firearms.

On Monday morning, Saunders provided an update on the11-week project, which was launched in August after the police service received $4.5-million from all three levels of government to combat gun violence and gang activity.

“Over the six weeks, shooting events have decreased 30 per cent compared to the six weeks prior to the start of this project,” Saunders said.

“The project allows for increased presence and visibility in patrol cars and on foot and in areas where street gangs are prevalent.”

While the majority of charges laid so far are firearm-related, Saunders said 11 per cent of charges were for violent offences, including assault, robbery, and ###ual offences.

“These results speak to this project being intelligence-led in that officers are in key areas and are able to get to scenes quickly,” Saunders said Monday.

Twelve people free on bail for firearm-related offences were re-arrested over the past six week as a result of the additional resources, he added.

A “bail enforcement surge” was also undertaken, Saunders said, resulting in officers checking up on 876 individuals who are currently out on bail.

“A lot of the criminals that know that we are out there are staying home,” he said, adding that members of the community have reported feeling safer as a result of the additional officers in their communities.

Saunders noted that 38 referrals were made to community agencies, including 17 referrals that were made to a gang exit program.

The project was launched in response to a violent August long weekend where more than a dozen people were shot.

It is scheduled to wrap up on Oct. 31.

hxxps://www.cp24.com/news/police-see-drop-in-shootings-since-launch-of-project-community-space-saunders-says-1.4616435


Toronto police chief says almost 250 arrests so far in ‘Project Community Space’

Sept 30 2019
Toronto, Ontario

Toronto police say they made close to 250 arrests in the first six weeks of a project aimed at curbing gang activity, including 12 people who were re-arrested while on bail for firearms offences.

Police Chief Mark Saunders gave an update today on Project Community Space, which launched in August after the force received funding from all three levels of government.

He says the program has been “extremely effective” in increasing community safety, gathering intelligence and making arrests.

Saunders says officers laid 525 charges as part of the project so far, with firearms-related offences accounting for 35 per cent of the charges, failure to comply with bail conditions making up 17 per cent and violent offences such as assault and ###ual assault representing 11 per cent.

He says officers conducted close to 900 compliance checks for those on bail, adding that people reoffending while on release is a “big concern.”

The program – which will use $1.5 million each from the federal, provincial and municipal governments – is set to run for 11 weeks in total.

hxxps://globalnews.ca/news/5968778/project-community-space-toronto-police-gun-violence/


‘Project Community Space’ is decreasing shootings in Toronto, police chief says

Sept 30 2019
Toronto, Ontario

Toronto’s police chief says the first six weeks of a three-month program aimed at tackling gun violence shows that it’s helping to decrease the number of shootings in the city.

An 11-week plan, dubbed “Project Community Space,” received millions through funding provided by all three levels of government.

The project, which ends Oct. 31, aimed to boost police presence in crime-prone areas of the city, build better connections with community groups and proactively check up on those out on bail.

“At mid-point of Project Community Space, there was a 30 per cent decrease in shooting events compared to the six weeks prior to the start of the project,” Toronto Police Service Chief Mark Saunders said Monday at a news conference.

Saunders reiterated his belief Monday morning that bail is granted too easily in gun crime cases, and the freedom enjoyed by some of those accused is fueling a cycle of gun crime.

In the first six weeks the “intelligence-led” program, he said, managed to rearrest 12 people who were freed on bail for firearm-related offences.

“They faced a variety of new firearm and violence-related charges,” he said.

“[The charges included] possession of firearms, which had serial numbers tampered with, possession of prohibited and restricted firearms, and assault with a weapon.”

Since the program began in August, 876 people currently out on bail have been checked on.

Saunders said officers laid a total of 525 charges in the first six weeks of the project, and 35 per cent of the charges were firearm-related.

Failure to comply or breach of bail condition accounted for 17 per cent of the charges, 11 per cent of the charges were for violent offences and 8 per cent were for outstanding warrants.

As well, 38 referrals have been made to programs in the city, of which 17 were to a gang exit program.

“The members of the Toronto Police Service … have been extremely effective in implementing this operational plan and increasing the safety of Toronto communities,” Saunders said. “We will continue to do what we do.”

The program, which received $1.5 million in funding from all three levels of government, was developed after 17 people were shot and injured during the August holiday weekend in Toronto this year.

hxps://toronto.ctvnews.ca/project-community-space-is-decreasing-shootings-in-toronto-police-chief-says-1.4616796


I note that although he says it's down by 30%, I remember the 1995 C68 House Of Commons debates where the Liberals kept using percentages but never quantity, which led to Liberal MPs voting in favour of C68 because they honestly thought that wives were being killed by the thousands every year. That led me to the rule: you must show Percent and Quantity, or you're probably being snowed, somehow.
 
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