Try Again - HUNTING SAFETY

Kelly Timoffee

Kelly Timoffee

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Well as my last post went the way of the Do-Do bird I am gonna try this with a different approach as my subject went the wrong direction.

How can we improve hunting ethics and safety out in our everyday hobby that we enjoy?
Myself, I have changed hunting tactics to try and take myself away from the increased hunter activity both legal and not.

In too many cases I have witnessed or directly known some that have been effected by hunters with poor ethics and concerns for safety. House,property and humans even being shot as a result.

For most of us we enjoy the peace and quiet of getting out and away from our everyday lives, that is why we do it, Safeway is still cheaper than hunting. ;)

The individuals who just decide to purchase a weapon and start hunting for the sake of killing something are not helping with hunters images in the eyes of land owners and animals rights activist, etc.............

So, how do we improve the situation??

Here is my best example of what is going on(condensed version). Two years ago an individual that knows a friend of mine was shot in the head with a .22 . He was hunting geese and another individual on a motorized unit shot into his decoys and striking him in the head.

There we so many safety measures ignored it isn't even funny.

There was no compensation for the injured and the shooter has been cleared at this point of wrong doing.

The gentleman now suffers from some nasty medical issues and is no longer able to work.

THIS my friends is the stuff I am talking about. Not how you hunt or how you harvest an animal but how some have total disregard for anything but themselves and others safety.
 
Well, I was following you....... The problem with this kind of thread is that you never know what kind of "hunters" are ready to pounce!
I totally agree with what you're saying & have witnessed some pretty unsafe practices myself. Actually, I think that the hunters safety course should be refreshed every so often........ for those who have forgotten or ignored the rules!
 
No offense but what is your point? What are you driving at? Maybe you are not aware of this but crime exists in the real world. There are going to be hunters who claim ignorance of the law; however as we all know ignorance of the law doesn't justify their behaviour. All you can worry about is yourself, hunt in accordance with the regulations and report anyone who isn't to the fish/game cops.

Too bad about your friend but last time I checked you didn't need to have more regulations to tell you not to shoot other people. But also the last time I checked you were required by law not to drink and drive and yet there are still tons of DUI charges out there...

I saw your last thread and it seems to me that you are trying to preach a methodology of hunting that doesn't apply to everybody and it also sounds like you aren't too keen on sharing. TOO BAD! If it isn't against the law stop trying to divide hunters - This kind of crap ticks me off. I personally don't much care for muzzleloaders and archery; but you don't see me starting threads about how it is unfair that they get their own season and it is a choice and that they should only hunt during the same season as the rest of the hunters... blah blah blah. I think it is great that it is allowed and encourage people to get out and do it - even though I don't personally do it myself.

What my point is this: Hunting is already got enough issues with antis looking for a reason to limit or stop this fine sporting activity. Safety is everybody's responsibility and if you observe something unsafe go and speak to the unsafe person. You personally have chickened out and tried to hide away from the "unsafe" hunters - great approach for YOU. Now stop crying that there are more hunters coming into areas that you hunt. Maybe take a little bit of civic responsibility on if you observe something unsafe going on and talk to the individuals about what you observed instead of coming on the INET to rant and whine about it. Sorry if this is harsh but I hate seeing the soccer mom equivalents come on to this section and start preaching to everybody about something that they could have handled themselves.
 
I agree this guy is trying to start a pointless Crusaide since there is no way in hell you can get people to follow rules they don't want to follow. Here is a more realistic solution, why don't you buy some land put a glass globe all around it, invite all your friends and family and spend the rest of your lives in there. That way everyone is happy.
 
Glock4ever said:
No offense but what is your point? What are you driving at? Maybe you are not aware of this but crime exists in the real world. There are going to be hunters who claim ignorance of the law; however as we all know ignorance of the law doesn't justify their behaviour. All you can worry about is yourself, hunt in accordance with the regulations and report anyone who isn't to the fish/game cops.

Too bad about your friend but last time I checked you didn't need to have more regulations to tell you not to shoot other people. But also the last time I checked you were required by law not to drink and drive and yet there are still tons of DUI charges out there...

I saw your last thread and it seems to me that you are trying to preach a methodology of hunting that doesn't apply to everybody and it also sounds like you aren't too keen on sharing. TOO BAD! If it isn't against the law stop trying to divide hunters - This kind of crap ticks me off. I personally don't much care for muzzleloaders and archery; but you don't see me starting threads about how it is unfair that they get their own season and it is a choice and that they should only hunt during the same season as the rest of the hunters... blah blah blah. I think it is great that it is allowed and encourage people to get out and do it - even though I don't personally do it myself.

What my point is this: Hunting is already got enough issues with antis looking for a reason to limit or stop this fine sporting activity. Safety is everybody's responsibility and if you observe something unsafe go and speak to the unsafe person. You personally have chickened out and tried to hide away from the "unsafe" hunters - great approach for YOU. Now stop crying that there are more hunters coming into areas that you hunt. Maybe take a little bit of civic responsibility on if you observe something unsafe going on and talk to the individuals about what you observed instead of coming on the INET to rant and whine about it. Sorry if this is harsh but I hate seeing the soccer mom equivalents come on to this section and start preaching to everybody about something that they could have handled themselves.
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Soccer Mom equivialents?
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What I am preaching is the stuff that is against the law and the individuals that have no regard for it, I was asking as HOW we can combat this but nobody seems to wanna suggest or give constructive input, simply try defend the way THEY do it. Just listen to my thread read the words and try to support the discussion.

If someone cannot take a bit of discussion without getting defensive then please don't join in.

Never said people are hunting in my area.

As for talking to the individuals, I have, what furhther would you like? Assualts on them and property?? Been down that street, not good.

I am simpling asking for input on how to make it better. NOT building glass globes to protect everything.

Please try understand what I am writing.Work with me here, why work against me?

Why does everyone wanna start a fight all the time?

Glock4ever said:
No offense but what is your point? What are you driving at? Maybe you are not aware of this but crime exists in the real world. There are going to be hunters who claim ignorance of the law; however as we all know ignorance of the law doesn't justify their behaviour. All you can worry about is yourself, hunt in accordance with the regulations and report anyone who isn't to the fish/game cops.

Too bad about your friend but last time I checked you didn't need to have more regulations to tell you not to shoot other people. But also the last time I checked you were required by law not to drink and drive and yet there are still tons of DUI charges out there...

I saw your last thread and it seems to me that you are trying to preach a methodology of hunting that doesn't apply to everybody and it also sounds like you aren't too keen on sharing. TOO BAD! If it isn't against the law stop trying to divide hunters - This kind of crap ticks me off. I personally don't much care for muzzleloaders and archery; but you don't see me starting threads about how it is unfair that they get their own season and it is a choice and that they should only hunt during the same season as the rest of the hunters... blah blah blah. I think it is great that it is allowed and encourage people to get out and do it - even though I don't personally do it myself.

What my point is this: Hunting is already got enough issues with antis looking for a reason to limit or stop this fine sporting activity. Safety is everybody's responsibility and if you observe something unsafe go and speak to the unsafe person. You personally have chickened out and tried to hide away from the "unsafe" hunters - great approach for YOU. Now stop crying that there are more hunters coming into areas that you hunt. Maybe take a little bit of civic responsibility on if you observe something unsafe going on and talk to the individuals about what you observed instead of coming on the INET to rant and whine about it. Sorry if this is harsh but I hate seeing the soccer mom equivalents come on to this section and start preaching to everybody about something that they could have handled themselves.
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Kelly Timoffee said:
The individuals who just decide to purchase a weapon and start hunting for the sake of killing something
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I didn't buy a hunting rifle to take with me in the shower, and everytime I go out hunting it is with intent to kill some game, hell that was even the reason I started hunting. :eek: I hunt safely and legally.
Nice use of the word weapon. I don't know if your trying to enlighten us with your moral code of ethics or just simply trolling.
 
You say that your preaching and why is that? Are you a preacher by trade? If you are maybe we don't want to be preached at by you especially on a wonderful firearm site such as this that we come here for info, stories, pictures, EE, and a way of meeting possible friends and hunters that live close to or in our communities. Do you have any friends?
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
House,property and humans even being shot as a result.


The individuals who just decide to purchase a weapon and start hunting for the sake of killing something are not helping with hunters images in the eyes of land owners and animals rights activist, etc.............

So, how do we improve the situation??
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Houses, property and humans being shot?? Who are you hunting with??

Another strategy is to stop calling firearms "weapons", I own a delightful amount of firearms, but not a single weapon..

I don't think it is up to us to make things even more complicated or limited than they already are. Unfortunately when a liberal gets a hold of the ability to make change they go for the throat, not the issue, so I think it is best to leave the issue alone. Let the current laws or Darwin take care of the fools.
I don't understand how you can tell people we need more rules and then ask them not to be get offended? No mystery why the other thread is gone, even though I did manage to miss it.
 
Kelly: I read your post and understand it quite clearly, you obviously didn't read mine. I did propose a solution -STOP WHINING and DO SOMETHING. The regulations for hunting and firearm ownership are quite clear - we don't need more regulations we need more enforcement from ourselves. So start with yourself! Stop talking about improving the situation when you have stated that you just avoided hunters that you saw breaking rules and doing unsafe acts. I happen to carry a copy of the Alberta Hunting Regs with me everywhere and if I see something I first approach the hunter and talk with them in a non-confrontational manner. If they don't change what they are doing, I call the fish/game cops. In my short time of firearm ownership/hunting (15 years) I have never had somebody tell me to f**k off, they actually acknowledged the mistake and stopped doing it. It is no different then what you do at home in your neighborhood.

Is this more clear? BTW I am not defending anyone's actions - I care less how people hunt as long as it is done legally.
 
Please delete

I was only asking for options and opinions on how to improve things the right way. Asking for your ideas not judgement.

Please delete this as it has once again gone the wrong way.
 
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If you friends buddy was shot in the head with .22 and the shooter was cleared and not charged it was an accident. Accidents happen in all walks of life,,yes they suck but unless you want tolive under a mattress all your life that the chance people have to take.
 
Zero tolerance for alcohol & recreational drugs while hunting. A study on chronic disease medication & their individual effect on mind/body, especially under any cardiovascular stress. Yearly proficiency/ hunter ethic tests & biyearly psychiatric evaluations.

This ought to weed out 1 or 2 percent of the so-called 'nightmares & slobs' .:D
 
Hunt long enough and you'll have an accident or make a mistake. The odds are against you. Also, even if we were to some how magically reduce an already very low accident rate by 50% the media would still jump all over any accident reported.

Do you know how many people have told me that "Hunting is dangerous!" ? When actually you're more likely to get hurt going to work. But sheepeople's minds don't work like that.
 
PeakXV said:
Zero tolerance for alcohol & recreational drugs while hunting. A study on chronic disease medication & their individual effect on mind/body, especially under any cardiovascular stress. Yearly proficiency/ hunter ethic tests & biyearly psychiatric evaluations.

This ought to weed out 1 or 2 percent of the so-called 'nightmares & slobs' .:D
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God, I hope you're kidding. - dan
 
It was an interesting case to say the least. the fellow in question was trying to head shoot some geese from his quad with a .22 . Of course you are hidden so this don't help. But he didn't shoot at geese he was actually shooting at the decoys and struck the the hunter. The man who did the accidental shooting claimed he was trying to scare the birds off.

Just curious how we protect ourselves and our rights and prevledges as hunters in these situations.


scott_r said:
If you friends buddy was shot in the head with .22 and the shooter was cleared and not charged it was an accident. Accidents happen in all walks of life,,yes they suck but unless you want tolive under a mattress all your life that the chance people have to take.
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Mm Kay
I still don't get it, but now I understand your problem with head shots. If you want to change things in your area offer to take out new hunters. I would guess many of the "truck" hunters, similar to those in that video that was posted, have never had a hunting mentor. They know nothing of the bush, tracking and looking for animal sign. So start there.

Accidents happen, people get run over, hurt at work, people break bones and even get paralyzed in sports and planes crash. Perhaps ask god why bad things happen. It is to bad you have become frightened of the sport you enjoy, perhaps it is time to hang it up and call it a day.
 
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