Trying to appraise several old rifles

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Hello all,

I am trying to determine the rough value of several old rifles my mother has. They were collected by my father years ago, and while I know some of their history, I do not know enough about antiques to advise her on their value. If anyone would have input on their value it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if she were to wish to sell them where would you think would be the best venue for that, would that be here on the EE? We are in the Greater Vancouver area, and I have done a little recce at a gun show of the Heritage Arms Collectors Society.

1) The first is percussion musket, about whose make and origin I am uncertain. When I showed the photos at the HACS show someone thought it might have been of French origin. Possibly the markings on the lock mean Model 1848, made in 1850, serial number 113. All the numbers appear to be matching.

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2) The second is what I believe to be a Remington Rolling Block.

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3) The third is a Danish Krag Jørgensen Carbine 1889.

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4) The final one is a Snider Carbine. I've read that it is similar to what the original Northwest Mounted Police were issued. In spite of the external hammer it is not a percussion lock. The hammer strikes the end of a working, spring loaded firing pin that then slopes down diagonally through the breech block.

The Snider has an unusual history. My father told me that this Snider had been produced to be given as military aid/bribery to court the favour of some locals, though where is not clear. Accordingly it was made in smooth-bore, in case today's friends became tomorrow's enemy. It also has writing carved into it that appears to be Arabic or Sanscrit, but I am no expert on that.

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So if anyone has any idea what these might be worth, or a good way to determine their value I would appreciate any feedback. I'd also like your opinion on the best place to get a fair price for them, here on EE or some auction sites?

Peter
 
1) May be Swiss, I think it started life as a French 1816 flintlock musket that was converted to percussion c.1839. These muskets became the Model 1822 and they were used by the Swiss Military. It was replaced in service by the Infantry Musket Model 1842. The rear sight appears to be missing a slider. I suggest you go to British Militaria Forums and ask for assistance, even though the rifle isn't British I am sure members there will be able to identify it.

All are very nice rifles.

My guess at values:
Musket - $800
Remington - $800
Krag Jørgensen - $200
Snider - $250
 
The Snider Enfield is unusual. It would be worth in the $300.00 - $500.00 area. The rolling block, if in 45-70 or 50-90 caliber would have to be in the $1,000.00 bracket unless it has been altered in any way which would halve the value. The musket.... depending on rarity, is a $500.00 rifle at least and would be much more if it was British or US manufacture. My opinion. Good luck, Dave
 
I think I would go 600 - 800 on the musket; the sight is unlike any I have seen plus I don't understand the small piece screwed on the lock behind the nipple although it does not seem to have been tape primed. I will go along with Step on it possibly being swiss although if so, it should have the name of a canton (state) stamped on the butt somewhere.
The Snider I would place around 150 because I think it may have been rebarreled in India judging from the numerous stamps on the barrel. The receiver appears to have been from a british sporting snider. Also would be a bit worried because the barrel appears to have "not for ball" stamped on it implying for use with blanks. "or ball" is the only part visible in the photos.
the rolling block looks like it could be a 50-70 (not 50-90) or 45 -70 and locally would run in the 600 - 800 range. Some of the other peculiar calibers would bring it down to the 400 - 600 range
Excellent photos and interesting guns

cheers mooncoon
 
"Not for Ball" could refer to shot, i.e. a shotgun. As a sporter with a Middle Eastern/South Asian provenance, its value would be limited.
I suspect the device on the (rifled?) musket's lock is a safety. Markings on the barrel relate to a unit.
The military Remington is likely chambered for one of the 11mm cartridges.
The Danish Krag carbine is certainly not common.
 
"Not for Ball" could refer to shot, i.e. a shotgun. As a sporter with a Middle Eastern/South Asian provenance, its value would be limited.
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I had a private reply from Grant a few days ago re the same stamp on a martini that I recently bought. He feels that the not for ball on a rifle was to indicate blank use.
I think not for ball only implies shot when applied to a shotgun between 1875 and 1885 around the time that choke boring was first introduced.
I guess in part it depends on whether the gun is smooth bored with a choke or rifled.

cheers mooncoon
 
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