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metcalfe said:
I didn't mention grip tape or any aftermarket grips in my post, and certainly never said "no advantage".

Now that you ask though, I feel their benefits pale in comparison to a strong squeeze.

My go to gun has no grip tape. It's a gen 4 g19 and covering that texture with anything but my skin would be foolish.
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Is the Gen 4 the latest one? I haven't tried the latest generation or the one that was supper grippy to the point that people were complaining....
But the Glocks I have tried in stock form squirm in my hands. I haven't tired squeezing harder then I typically squeeze a pistol to try and overcome the squirm but I may end up stippling the grip a bit.

As far as your previous post about elbows in and squeezing it like a lemon if that works for you that's awesome!
For sure there are fundamentals that can be applied but due to personal differences we all have, there is also something to be said for finding what works for each person.
 
Can-down said:
Is the Gen 4 the latest one? I haven't tried the latest generation or the one that was supper grippy to the point that people were complaining....
But the Glocks I have tried in stock form squirm in my hands. I haven't tired squeezing harder then I typically squeeze a pistol to try and overcome the squirm but I may end up stippling the grip a bit.

As far as your previous post about elbows in and squeezing it like a lemon if that works for you that's awesome!
For sure there are fundamentals that can be applied but due to personal differences we all have, there is also something to be said for finding what works for each person.
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Yup gen4 is the latest. 2 or 3 years old now.
You might be thinking of the rtf2. That was sort of a gen3.5. I still have never seen/touched one but am curious, as I have heard the complaints as well.


I hear what you're saying about each of us finding what works.
In the interest of discussion, and helping the OP become a better shooter, what techniques do you feel work?
 
Dryfiring has taught me a lot, it's pretty basic really you want the gun to move as little as possible when the trigger breaks.
Follow through on the trigger pull seems to help me as well and maintaining my focus through the shot.
 
metcalfe said:
I didn't mention grip tape or any aftermarket grips in my post, and certainly never said "no advantage".

Now that you ask though, I feel their benefits pale in comparison to a strong squeeze.

My go to gun has no grip tape. It's a gen 4 g19 and covering that texture with anything but my skin would be foolish.
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Squeeze alone is not enough, with sweaty hands etc... with those Gen 3 glocks with the smooth as the baby bottom grips. Can-Down Is right. The Gen 4s are not bad, the best is the RTF2 Gen3 models. If you got to squeeze to hard, you will through off your shooting, you dont need a death grip when shooting a pistol.

I'm right handed and was taught to squeeze with my left hand to stablize the gun and leave my right more loose so the trigger finger is looser.
 
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GunGuy34 said:
Squeeze alone is not enough, with sweaty hands etc... with those Gen 3 glocks with the smooth as the baby bottom grips. Can-Down Is right. The Gen 4s are not bad, the best is the RTF2 Gen3 models. If you got to squeeze to hard, you will through off your shooting, you dont need a death grip when shooting a pistol.

I'm right handed and was taught to squeeze with my left hand to stablize the gun and leave my right more loose so the trigger finger is looser.
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I have to ask why everyone struggles with sweaty hands? I suspect its related to the adrenaline and excitement of shooting, or perhaps it is due to excessive time spent handling/griping the pistol. Take a break, dry your hands, and move along.

TDC
 
GunGuy34 said:
Squeeze alone is not enough, with sweaty hands etc... with those Gen 3 glocks with the smooth as the baby bottom grips. Can-Down Is right. The Gen 4s are not bad, the best is the RTF2 Gen3 models. If you got to squeeze to hard, you will through off your shooting, you dont need a death grip when shooting a pistol.

I'm right handed and was taught to squeeze with my left hand to stablize the gun and leave my right more loose so the trigger finger is looser.
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You're probably an anomaly, and don't have trouble distinguishing between how much pressure each hand is using under stressful conditions.

I however am a mere mortal. When stress hits me, I squeeze things hard, and my eyes open up as wide as my sockets will allow.
Because these things happen to me no matter how much I want them to, or don't want them to, I have decided to train with natural human reactions in mind.

Squeeze may not be enough for you, but that is because you are set in your method, not because grip isn't an important technique to master.
Same goes for grip affecting your trigger press. If you learn how to do both properly, they can both be done simultaneously.

I think we're talking about 2 very different types of shooting here.
If my heart isn't beating out of my chest during a practice session, I feel like I'm wasting my time at the range.
 
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metcalfe said:
You're probably an anomaly, and don't have trouble distinguishing between how much pressure each hand is using under stressful conditions.

I however am a mere mortal. When stress hits me, I squeeze things hard, and my eyes open up as wide as my sockets will allow.
Because these things happen to me no matter how much I want them to, or don't want them to, I have decided to train with natural human reactions in mind.

Squeeze may not be enough for you, but that is because you are set in your method, not because grip isn't an important technique to master.
Same goes for grip affecting your trigger press. If you learn how to do both properly, they can both be done simultaneously.

I think we're talking about 2 very different types of shooting here.
If my heart isn't beating out of my chest during a practice session, I feel like I'm wasting my time at the range.
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Ya im not a big time competitor or anything. I did my black badge and enjoyed it but didnt do very much competiton shooting. I was taught those techniques in my BB course and have just continued to use them. Those gen 3 glocks do have some smooth ####ty grips is all i was saying and grip tape certainly improves them. Why i see lots of people also stippling them.
 
TDC said:
I have to ask why everyone struggles with sweaty hands? I suspect its related to the adrenaline and excitement of shooting, or perhaps it is due to excessive time spent handling/griping the pistol. Take a break, dry your hands, and move along.

TDC
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No its not adrenaline or anything, its not usually an issue in winter time if im outside shooting, but summer time when its 30 degrees i sweat and my hands sweat. So i prefer a nice grip. Like the RTF2. Im pretty sure you do as well, as I sold you one and im sure you have said in the past its your favorite Glock Grip.

Lots of handgun manufacturers use it as a selling point these days. Hickok45 puts talon grips on all his glocks. And most other of his semis.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Ya im not a big time competitor or anything. I did my black badge and enjoyed it but didnt do very much competiton shooting. I was taught those techniques in my BB course and have just continued to use them. Those gen 3 glocks do have some smooth ####ty grips is all i was saying and grip tape certainly improves them. Why i see lots of people also stippling them.
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When it comes down to it, I just call myself a gun enthusiast. Nobody pays me to train, I do it because I love the challenge.

I have yet to shoot an ipsc match.
The type of shooting I do doesn't really suit it. It's more combat oriented.
 
metcalfe said:
When it comes down to it, I just call myself a gun enthusiast. Nobody pays me to train, I do it because I love the challenge.

I have yet to shoot an ipsc match.
The type of shooting I do doesn't really suit it. It's more combat oriented.
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I tend to lean more to IDPA myself but we have none up here. One of the local LEOs was tryinf to get it up here but nothing so far. Its all fun just the same.
 
metcalfe said:
When stress hits me, I squeeze things hard, and my eyes open up as wide as my sockets will allow.
Because these things happen to me no matter how much I want them to, or don't want them to, I have decided to train with natural human reactions in mind.
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Makes sense to me....might as well develop a muscle memory that won't be overridden by stress and adrenaline!
 
GunGuy34 said:
No its not adrenaline or anything, its not usually an issue in winter time if im outside shooting, but summer time when its 30 degrees i sweat and my hands sweat. So i prefer a nice grip. Like the RTF2. Im pretty sure you do as well, as I sold you one and im sure you have said in the past its your favorite Glock Grip.

Lots of handgun manufacturers use it as a selling point these days. Hickok45 puts talon grips on all his glocks. And most other of his semis.
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I mentioned adrenaline because that is the issue with new shooters. Excitement and fear cause your body to sweat excessively, I used to do the same. After you get comfortable with shooting the "rush" becomes more manageable and you stop sweating. However, you are correct, if its hot and your body is struggling to stay cool, then your hands will be sweaty no matter what you do. I like the RTF guns, the texture works very well, that being said I have no issue with gen 3 style grips nor do I find the sub compacts like the G26 the least bit difficult to shoot. More grip, or rather better control is never a bad thing as long as it doesn't negatively impact function or reliability.

TDC
 
My Glock should be here tomorrow or Wednesday...

So are standard Glock sights able to shoot POA/POI with 115gr ammo or no?
 
I know that, just was wondering what 9mm weight I should be using, used to .45 pistols where 99% of them have their sights set up for 230gr ammo.
 
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