Trying to Sight in this norc..........

I have an Isreali mauser that shot like that too, even with good bullets.

So I thought about it for a while and then thought about deep hole drilling. It's impossible to drill a hole undersize, just over size.

So algebra kicks in... If a rifle shoots that bad, the bore must be over size. The traditional advice in this case is to replace the barrel with a better tighter barrel.... right.

Well there is another option that will surely make many of you shriek with fear.

Just shoot larger bullets.

So I go to my loading bench and seat some bullets into my 308 case that are for a 7.62x39 which are actually 0.3105 in diameter, so 0.0025 over size.

So guess what? With these bullets my old Iseali Mauser shoots 1 inch groups with no signs of pressure.

I also have a Nork that shoots about as bad as the OP and next trip to the range I will be running my Mauser load. It cant be any worse.... if I live.
 
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BadAsMo said:
I have an Isreali mauser that shot like that too, even with good bullets.

So I thought about it for a while and then thought about deep hole drilling. It's impossible to drill a hole undersize, just over size.

So algebra kicks in... If a rifle shoots that bad, the bore must be over size. The traditional advice in this case is to replace the barrel with a better tighter barrel.... right.

Well there is another option that will surely make many of you shriek with fear.

Just shoot larger bullets.

So I go to my loading bench and seat some bullets into my 308 case that are for a 7.62x39 which are actually 0.3105 in diameter, so 0.0025 over size.

So guess what? With these bullets my old Iseali Mauser shoots 1 inch groups with no signs of pressure.

I also have a Nork that shoots about as bad as the OP and next trip to the range I will be running my Mauser load. It cant be any worse.... if I live.
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A real man tries it without a tire and a string!
 
notsorichguy said:
A real man tries it without a tire and a string!
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LOL , now that's funny right there.

On. Topic ... Sometimes these things can be solved with a different gas piston as well. Typically I'll use 150's when testing a rifle, then 168gr match ammo to look for improvements. If 150's group terribly and the 168's group well, I'll swap the gas piston with a different one and look for improvements on the 150gr groups.
Sometimes it works and sometimes you have to look elsewhere and sometimes.... You just plain and simple have a crappy barrel.
 
I don't want to sound like a broken record,...I know most who read this has heard it before and this is a public forum so here's my opinion,.. why not just shoot your battle rifle with it's battle rifle ammo over the iron sights?

Do the DIY tweaks so you can hit a fig11 for instance at 300 say(would be hard with 10MOA for sure), then establish your rifles accuracy from the bench with your ammo of choice, say a 3-4MOA perhaps,.... and now you try to match that 4MOA at distance from prone first and then sitting and kneeling and standing and so on. You may be surprised and fulfilled and become a rilfeman like you never knew you could.

When you shoot prone, and you've got an 8" cluster of 20 rounds perfectly centered on a 12/59 at 200yards and your 50yard X 24zoom buddy is not overly impressed, you know your batting a 1000
with your 4MOA rifle, you are now a Rifleman. My goal, I don't think I'll live long enough to do it consistently.

100 yard bench rests are boring with a capital B, except for zeroing or load development or lastly you have a hard on for "5 rounds in one ragged hole guns"..the M-14 is not this rifle sorry


I am a scope guy mind you, been so since I mounted my first 3x-7x .22Custon Bushnell to my first .22 Cooey600 in the early seventies. The scope gives me superior light gathering at the least, a precise aim point at very long range on any target and a phenominal ability to aim precisely in the game woods when a distant target blends perfectly with it's cover, but for fun on the range,.. shoot the M-14 the way it was meant to be fired over the irons.


You said you do very well with an SVT so you are an iron sight shooter already, I just miss why so many lose the fun to shoot a full powered semi auto rifle like the m-14 over irons and at distance. Trying to make a 100 yard bench-o-matic would be frustrating to me at the least, and very expensive waste of money at the worst.

Save the big glass for precision rifle work and hunting rifle work, slam bang the norc14 the way she likes it,.... over the irons.:p Scoped M14 rant over..............
 
as said above.
you need to remove the possible problem factors and start from the begining.
If your gun shoots 10" Groups with Irons aswell then its a gun issue "barring not a shooter issue".
If that happens try other Ammo and see if it changes if it fixes it then Read what 45ACPKING said above and change the piston or shim or multiple other things you can do.

But i do feel first you need to verify if this is just a scope issue or not.

I had issues with my M14.ca rail lining up to the left of my rifle but thats not the same thing as you are saying here because although the rail was out the bullets hit relatively the same area consistently.

Hopefully its just a scope issue and can be replaced easily.
 
I'm with RTS on this as well
Spent a couple of years or so chasing rainbows.
Got a gun that "can" shoot 1.5........but only when it wants to. So many variables, weather ,wildlife, what colour shirt am I wearing, did the Leafs lose again and it goes on and on
It will also shoot 2-2.5 consistently. Far better than when I got it.
Took the gun out to test the bedding job in the Boyds stock the other day, got to the range and a strange feeling came over me.
I thought F--k it, Im done chasing rainbows. So I shot the crap out of it with the irons and had a blast formatting CDs at 200yds.
Most fun I had with the gun since I started chasing MOAs.
I will be putting the scope on the wifeys 22 and be flogging an Archangel stock.
Bloody certain the Norc will do a number on a fig 11 out to 400 +........I have no right to expect anymore .
Going Old School again is gonna be fun.
Still glad I found the best round possible for the gun tho, might come in handy sometime.
In conclusion anything under 3.0 with a Norc is good enough.

Congrats to all who pulled off the 1.5 Challenge............I KNOW how hard it is, but Im done with it
Cheers :)
 
Well It was the scope indeed. After putting on a proper vortex scope, here are the results with crappy norc ammo at 100 yards.
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dahs said:
Could it possibly be you? Not trying to be a ####, but the shooter is a giant variable.
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Yes you are a giant douche but I forgive you.
 
Looks like you have a shooter there :)
Glad you got er sorted, now see what it will do with decent rounds or handloads.

Cheers
 
Nice group from a ChineseM14, and with Nork ammo to boot that is superb albeit I believe that 762NorkNato shoots as good as 95% of the real NATO762(cross) ammo and better than a lot of it! It clocks right on 762NATO velocity specifications.
 
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