This started wayyyyyy back, long before the anti-gun agenda. It was in place when I took my hunting course in 1974. I had a Savage 24 in 20/30-30, and was often warned that if I had any CF ammo, I would have to have a big game license or else. I always did, as bear and rabbit was open, IIRC on Sept. 1, and grouse on the 15th. Back then, my old man used to pack a Llama 1911 (semi-, or mostly- illegally) when he went berry-picking in the summer, and when he ran into a CO or cop, they would usually end up firing a few mags at the sand pit. The very same CO's that checked for big game licenses with my 24. I sincerely think this reg is about game management. But it, like the .270 caliber restriction, should be reviewed, as things have moved so far ahead with modern bullets, that those laws should be placed right below the buggy-whip regs and the rule-of-thumb standard.
Two guns while big game hunting ??
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This started wayyyyyy back, long before the anti-gun agenda. It was in place when I took my hunting course in 1974. I had a Savage 24 in 20/30-30, and was often warned that if I had any CF ammo, I would have to have a big game license or else. I always did, as bear and rabbit was open, IIRC on Sept. 1, and grouse on the 15th. Back then, my old man used to pack a Llama 1911 (semi-, or mostly- illegally) when he went berry-picking in the summer, and when he ran into a CO or cop, they would usually end up firing a few mags at the sand pit. The very same CO's that checked for big game licenses with my 24. I sincerely think this reg is about game management. But it, like the .270 caliber restriction, should be reviewed, as things have moved so far ahead with modern bullets, that those laws should be placed right below the buggy-whip regs and the rule-of-thumb standard.
It was the beginning of the anti-gun agenda actually. It was meant to soften us up so we would accept it when the gun control and anti-gun agenda started rolling. Yes, wayyyyyyyy back.
If they went from zero to 100 with the disarming thing you'd react quite differently. Start telling you what you can point at a bunny and eventually they will tell you, you can't even own a semi-auto even just to look at. And that's exactly how its been progressing from the very first word of what you can and can't do with a gun..... and it all started with hunting.
Sooner or later you will get it. Hopefully you will still have your guns when you do.
Pardon me if I need a "better clue", I hunt at least 100 days a year with many different rifles and shotguns... All legally and I have never felt "harassed" by a CO..... In fact, most of the ones I have met complimented my firearm and fondled it a little before they gave it back to me....
As for the moose hunting example you used, there is a whole system around getting moose tags that is very complicated and cumbersome... I agree with that, but the reason is that, in case you haven't heard, our moose population is in extreme decline. Also, in case you hadn't heard, they are changing the wolf and coyote restrictions in Northern Ontario to help battle this, thus creating more hunting and firearms use opportunity, not less..... If your friends were so easily swayed into giving up their guns, then perhaps they are the problem and not guys like me who are out enjoying theirs once or twice a week....
You are very angry, you should switch to decaf "madashell".....
What "fact"?.... The fact that I spend roughly 1 out of every four days in the woods with a gun in my hand?..... Why would any CO or the MNR want to disarm hunters and subsequently be out of a job?..... You make absolutely zero sense... Sure there are prick CO's... but there are good ones too.... much like any profession...
Save fighting the man for where it belongs instead of wasting your time as a conspiracy theorist.... it will get you further...
70. A person who hunts deer or moose shall not use or carry a firearm unless the firearm is of a class specified for use during the open season applicable to the species, person and area in Ontario Regulation 670/98 (Open Seasons — Wildlife). O. Reg. 581/99, s. 4.
So, to me, this means "no rifle in a shotgun season or area" AND "no shotgun in a rifle season or area"
In Ontario, does rifle season PERMIT the use of a shotgun? is it only "shotgun ONLY" at some times?
I would assume so, as Q2 implies you can carry a shotgun and rifle together in a rifle season.
Holy crap, why so confusing.
How about, the law ASSUMES you are innocent, and lets you carry whatever you want, provided you use the correct tool during the appropriate season.
Also, what "defines" a hunt? If I have a long walk to a FIXED stand, during the walk in, i may be "hunting" small game. Then, when I get to my fixed stand, i switch to "hunting" large game...
In a day, in many locations, there are multiple game varieties that can be "hunted"...what defines the that transition from say small game to large game hunting??
So, to me, this means "no rifle in a shotgun season or area" AND "no shotgun in a rifle season or area"
In Ontario, does rifle season PERMIT the use of a shotgun? is it only "shotgun ONLY" at some times?
I would assume so, as Q2 implies you can carry a shotgun and rifle together in a rifle season.
Holy crap, why so confusing.
How about, the law ASSUMES you are innocent, and lets you carry whatever you want, provided you use the correct tool during the appropriate season.
Also, what "defines" a hunt? If I have a long walk to a FIXED stand, during the walk in, i may be "hunting" small game. Then, when I get to my fixed stand, i switch to "hunting" large game...
In a day, in many locations, there are multiple game varieties that can be "hunted"...what defines the that transition from say small game to large game hunting??
The regs for each species tell you what firearms you can use to hunt what game and what the season dates are..... by WMU. You can perfectly legally hunt grouse on the way to your stand with birdshot in your gun then switch to a slug once you get there.... As long as you have licenses for both deer and grouse, you can carry two guns or a combo gun..... providing they meet the requirements for your WMU and season.....
It's a free country, so you can believe what you want to, but based on my personal experience, the anti-gun thing didn't really get a foothold (at least in NE Ontario) until the late 80's. Before that, I met up with CO's while my son was walking a trail at 10 or 11 with a Cooey 410 and I was waiting at the road. All that was asked was a cursory check to make sure he understood the safe handling procedures. Had a CO walk into our hunt camp, my son was 10, and he was stripping, oiling and cleaning an AK. CO asked him if he was sure he knew what he was doing, my son explained all the major parts to him, showed him how easy it was to strip and clean. Now, I'm not saying it was like this everywhere, but in our neck of the woods, it was.
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Just a note here: Shotgun hunt arent necessarily about safety, they're also about limiting the harvest. IE Rifles are more effective.
Never said the MNR are trying to disarm hunters despite some of the BS they pull. Was talking about government trying to disarm the people of this country and regulating what guns you can use hunting is part of that larger agenda.
.30 cal rifles, down to 20 cal. rifles, down to shotguns. What next ? Single shots and muzzle loaders? Then bow and arrows ?
You go be a good little law abiding citizen and just think of YOUR hunting world instead of the big picture. Maybe when you're regulated down to a homemade bow and arrow only you will start to get it.
Th MNR is government run and they are the ones that made these rules you say are out to conspire to take away our guns..... but hey, don't let the facts stand in the way of your second gunman grassy knoll / no moon landing stuff....
FREE COUNTRY ?
OMG, how ignorant can you people be ?
Lets see.... under the first Trudeau A-hole alone..
- removed allodial title (which means ultimately no personal ownership of private property ... if you believe you actually own your property think again)
- passed cleverly titled "hate crime laws" which effectively removed freedom of speech
- handed over the printing of our money to "The Bank of Canada" so they can lend it back to the government at interest. No debt at that point in 74, now about a trillion in debt.
Free country my ass.
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Can't even get a glimpse of the bigger picture can you ?
I'm not annoyed with the government and its string pullers, they are easy to understand.
Its people so deep in ignorance that make me shake my head.
Keep believing this is a free country and they GIVE YOU rights. I guess ignorance really is bliss.
OK.... How about this... this is the hunting section... we are discussing a hunting regulation and whether or not you can carry two guns when hunting.....
Maybe you should visit the firearms politics section or even the off topics or wherever you chose to rant and go tell them all how ignorant us hunters are and how you know better than the rest of us about the mass national conspiracy big picture .... I strongly suggest using alloidal title and Canadian hate crime laws in your post when you create your thread....
Aside from that, please stay on topic as I don't think the OP's thread has completely run it's course.....
