Two guns while big game hunting ??

Does anyone carry an air pistol while big game hunting?

I have thought about it, but it just seems like asking for trouble.

I too just want to carry a .22 pistol with me.
 
conor_90 said:
Does anyone carry an air pistol while big game hunting?

I have thought about it, but it just seems like asking for trouble.

I too just want to carry a .22 pistol with me.
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Yep. I've tried just about everything over the years.

Tried a .22 crossman back packer. Plenty of oomph, but big, heavy, and a pita to pump ten times before shooting.

Tried a .177 co2. Small and light, but shy on power, and way too loud. Not to mention not grouping worth **** with a smooth bore barrel shooting bbs.

A suppressed .22 pistol shooting .22cb would be awesome. But alas...


The hammond gamegetter works very well and can be quite quiet with the throttled down blanks, but it's a pain to have to noisily unload your rifle before using it.
 
Is it legal to archery hunt for deer, and have a rifle with you on a watch if there happens to be an open rifle season for bear or moose at the same time?
 
That correct and what makes it convoluted.

If you are hunting ANY BIG GAME (bear, moose, deer) during a "Bow Only" season then you can not carry any weapon other than a bow PERIOD.

Now, if there is a bow only deer season that coincides with a rifle season for Moose or Bear (or both), IF you choose to carry a rifle for Moose or Bear you can not hunt Deer AT ALL as long as you have any rifle or shotgun "uncased" and I would suspect that if you even had a rifle/shotgun with you (within reach) while bowhunting Deer a CO would "charge first" and let you try and explain your way out of the intricacies later.

(and I don't want to spend a couple years with suspended hunting privileges and a pile of legal bills to prove that I was "technically" within the law because my rifle was unloaded an encased but just happened to be "stored" in the stand with me while I was bow hunting Deer in a bow only season)
 
The real silly part about rules in Ontario is cyote hunting or small game you can have a CF Rifle in any 20. Cal, but not 30. Cal. So I can hunt cyotes any time of year with a 243. But can't use that gun for deer. That one really annoys me as a 243. Rifle would be great for both. Sadly only shotgun only for deer here.
 
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I haven't done it but for the bow only seasons couldn't you just have a few small game heads in your quiver like the G5. They seem to work and would be fairly easy to change over. Mark them with a different colour and there will be no confusion. The G5 also meets the 22mm sharp point law being 26mm and three edges instead of only two. I could see the other small game heads as breaking the law as they don't have sharp edges rather barbs off a field style tip.

Other than that you’re into casing, and uncasing, what can you do really as it ain't worth not doing it. Being uncomfortable and not being able to do exactly what I want for a couple weeks carrying big cases or only going after one game critter is better than not being able to hunt ever again...

I know this year’s rifle deer season sucked, I ended up scouting more places for when bow started back up with a grouse gun then bringing my deer rifle as the grouse were just amazing!!
 
ranger_scout said:
The real silly part about rules in Ontario is cyote hunting or small game you can have a CF Rifle in any 20. Cal, but not 30. Cal. So I can hunt cyotes any time of year with a 243. But can't use that gun for deer. That one really annoys me as a 243. Rifle would be great for both. Sadly only shotgun only for deer here.
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Absolutely agree!
 
ranger_scout said:
The real silly part about rules in Ontario is cyote hunting or small game you can have a CF Rifle in any 20. Cal, but not 30. Cal. So I can hunt cyotes any time of year with a 243. But can't use that gun for deer. That one really annoys me as a 243. Rifle would be great for both. Sadly only shotgun only for deer here.
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OK, firstly, that law does not apply to all of Ontario.... The majority of the province allows use of a .243 during deer season.... The shotgun only restriction is only for certain WMU's

Secondly, when hunting small game, your rifle must be of a caliber of .275 or less.... but also, only in certain areas

Thirdly, You cannot use "any 20 cal"..... There are many cartridges that use bullets bigger than .275 and smaller than .30


Firearms
If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an
open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may
not possess or use a rif le of greater muzzle energy than 400
foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than
No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger
than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless
you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black
bear as the case may be. This restriction does not apply south
of the French and Mattawa Rivers during an open season for
deer that is restricted to the use of bows.
A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rif le
of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rif le, except a muzzle-
loading gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent,
Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron,
Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland,
Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York.
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ranger_scout said:
The real silly part about rules in Ontario is cyote hunting or small game you can have a CF Rifle in any 20. Cal, but not 30. Cal. So I can hunt cyotes any time of year with a 243. But can't use that gun for deer. That one really annoys me as a 243. Rifle would be great for both. Sadly only shotgun only for deer here.
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Just a point of clarification:

-That's a southern Ontario rule only
-The limit is .275 not .300
-Rimfire is also permitted.
 
madashell said:
The more I read this crap the more I can't stand this country.

I should be able to walk in the bush with a loaded Glock G19 (with 17 round mags), a loaded M4 (with 30 round mags) and a loaded 30 cal. bolt action rifle if I choose to carry it all. Anything short of that is... well, tyranny. It's that simple when it comes right down to it.
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Actually, those laws have nothing to do with gun control, but poaching. The only one that surprises me in the list is the .22 during bow season - I would have carried one sure that I was OK. I'll go to bed a little less dumb tonight.
 
deerfarmer said:
Regarding ON laws post. I would bet that if I was out bow hunting for moose in an archery only season and had a .22lr in the truck for plinking road warrior grouse to and from hunting spots, they could probably nab me for that somehow. Silliness
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Similar thing happened to me but my gun was a 30-06 for bear and the crossbow for moose were both beside me in my truck. Got pulled over by a CO and was shown that I was in violation and given a non written warning. He instructed me to encase the rifle and said it would be quite legal to get out of the truck, uncase the rifle and go after bear if I left the crossbow in the truck.

Well next year a different CO was going to charge me for exactly the same thing. I explained my previous encounter with a CO and he called the CO for verification. After a lengthy conversation I was let go and warned that he would charge me if I did it again.

His answer was that the regulations were up to interpretation and the CO that day, would decide. He also stated "It was his job to lay the charge and it was my job to convince the judge that I was innocent". I guess that pretty well sums up what kind of a person he is..........
 
bush1 said:
Similar thing happened to me but my gun was a 30-06 for bear and the crossbow for moose were both beside me in my truck. Got pulled over by a CO and was shown that I was in violation and given a non written warning. He instructed me to encase the rifle and said it would be quite legal to get out of the truck, uncase the rifle and go after bear if I left the crossbow in the truck.

Well next year a different CO was going to charge me for exactly the same thing. I explained my previous encounter with a CO and he called the CO for verification. After a lengthy conversation I was let go and warned that he would charge me if I did it again.

His answer was that the regulations were up to interpretation and the CO that day, would decide. He also stated "It was his job to lay the charge and it was my job to convince the judge that I was innocent". I guess that pretty well sums up what kind of a person he is..........
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kinda reminds me of my buddy Jack. He is now a retired CO. He was very dedicated to his job. He would always say "I'm hear to nail you, if I can! He even said that to me. Apparently he nailed his brother for some hunting violation. We were sitting in the old Dodge one time having coffee and lunch just off a logging trail when he came along. He immediately opened the truck door and saw my Ruger No.1 standing there, the action was closed, the gun was not loaded. He says it's $450. (fine) if this is loaded and proceeds to open the action. He was quite surprised to see it was not and said with amazement "no, it's not"! I said: common Jacky, you know me better than that!
 
After reading all the bureaucratic bull#### hunting rules for Ontario, I think if I ever made the terrible mistake of having to live their I would consider getting a combination gun like a Baikal which is both a rifle and a shotgun, which would just lead to utter confusion!
 
bush1 said:
Similar thing happened to me but my gun was a 30-06 for bear and the crossbow for moose were both beside me in my truck. Got pulled over by a CO and was shown that I was in violation and given a non written warning. He instructed me to encase the rifle and said it would be quite legal to get out of the truck, uncase the rifle and go after bear if I left the crossbow in the truck.

Well next year a different CO was going to charge me for exactly the same thing. I explained my previous encounter with a CO and he called the CO for verification. After a lengthy conversation I was let go and warned that he would charge me if I did it again.

His answer was that the regulations were up to interpretation and the CO that day, would decide. He also stated "It was his job to lay the charge and it was my job to convince the judge that I was innocent". I guess that pretty well sums up what kind of a person he is..........
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They try to pull the same bulls**t with short shotguns that are totally LEGAL. "Looks illegal to me son, better let the judge sort it out". Have had several run in's with these clowns. People are getting down right sick of their behavior.
 
two-dogs said:
kinda reminds me of my buddy Jack. He is now a retired CO. He was very dedicated to his job. He would always say "I'm hear to nail you, if I can! He even said that to me. Apparently he nailed his brother for some hunting violation. We were sitting in the old Dodge one time having coffee and lunch just off a logging trail when he came along. He immediately opened the truck door and saw my Ruger No.1 standing there, the action was closed, the gun was not loaded. He says it's $450. (fine) if this is loaded and proceeds to open the action. He was quite surprised to see it was not and said with amazement "no, it's not"! I said: common Jacky, you know me better than that!
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I've come across this type before. These "people" are nothing short of scum with a badge.
 
Papaclaude said:
Actually, those laws have nothing to do with gun control, but poaching. The only one that surprises me in the list is the .22 during bow season - I would have carried one sure that I was OK. I'll go to bed a little less dumb tonight.
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I DO NOT buy into this gun control vs poaching thing. Lots of ways to manipulate laws through so called poaching laws (and other methods) to disarm people. They are NOT separate.

Around here the MNR are restricting access to all kinds of bush roads (it's happening all over the country). I personally know men and women who are so frustrated with not being able to go where they always have, they ended up selling their rifles since they felt they could no longer use them. DISARMED.

I personally know men and women who have applied for (also meaning paid for) moose tags for as long as 30 YEARS !!!! .. and always been denied. So frustrated not being able to moose hunt they sold their rifles. DISARMED.

Don't any of you dare tell me the hunting laws are not being manipulated to DISARM people.
 
madashell said:
I DO NOT buy into this gun control vs poaching thing. Lots of ways to manipulate laws through so called poaching laws (and other methods) to disarm people. They are NOT separate.

Around here the MNR are restricting access to all kinds of bush roads (it's happening all over the country). I personally know men and women who are so frustrated with not being able to go where they always have, they ended up selling their rifles since they felt they could no longer use them. DISARMED.

I personally know men and women who have applied for (also meaning paid for) moose tags for as long as 30 YEARS !!!! .. and always been denied. So frustrated not being able to moose hunt they sold their rifles. DISARMED.

Don't any of you dare tell me the hunting laws are not being manipulated to DISARM people.
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The hunting laws are not being manipulated to DISARM people....
 
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