Two hours until my Kel-Tec RFB is here... Photos at Posts 11, 13 & 36

tbloggins said:
Here's what it looks like with a 5/10 rounder mag. I do these myself, but anyone with some mechanical ability should be able to do it also, with the right tools. I'll see about putting a tutorial together, when I have time. You need a 20 rounder to start with though.


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Looks great! Is that a Hogue Handall grip on it?
 
stormtrooper1015 said:
Most of the time you can get your answers just browsing through the forum. But your question is about legality of the firearm - perhaps you meant what makes it non-restricted. If the RFB were to be allowed export from the US to Canada, it would be considered a restricted firearm based on barrel length. The RFB-C has a custom length barrel to meet the classification requirements for a non-restricted firearm (barrel at 18.5" min and 26" min overall length). Any other changes to the rifle, such as the chambering and lack of muzzle brake were done to meet US export regulations, not Canadian firearms legislation.

All that said, the RFB is really no different than my uncle's Browning BAR - Both .308, semi-automatic, 5 round rifles. Optically they are night and day...clearly the Browning doesn't look as "Scary". The more I take my carbines out hunting, the more accepted they are becoming...The RFB may be a game changer, and the reaction by hunters I've shown it to have been great. I bet if it were camo dipped Vault would never be able to meet the demand.... Hmmmm camo dipped....
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Stormtrooper,

I am well-aware as to the technical legalities of firearms ownership and what the regulations say. However, as I fall into a special category of people that are legally able to buy firearms in both the United States and Canada, my question was asked because I want to know why I would buy one in Canada when I could buy one in the United States for a great deal less money. I had figured that part of the reason must have to do with modifications to make it fit into the Non-Restricted group, as I know that the one I was able to play with was a tad too short in terms of barrel-length.

I appreciate your politeness, and that you not making fun of the fact that I only have one post, unlike the others in this thread. I only visit this forum on occasion when I have something I am looking to buy or possibly sell.

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Hey Guy; That does make sense... Look up, waaaaay up...

Even if you're able to purchase in both countries, you still have to purchase the RFB-C if your permanent residence is in Canada. Otherwise you're a no-go on breaking ITAR and other export restrictions from the US side.

You have to realise, being that you've been around even if not posting, that we have a rather serious problem with people pretending to be firearms owners who are not.

Hope to see you around more often; Post some photos if you do make the decision to buy an RFB.

Have a short range report from today's outting:

- Firing surplus Portugese FMR Ball
- Recoil was less than expected; Significantly less than anything else I've fired in 308/7.62 NATO. Felt less than the Tavor (in 5.56, oc) firing similar NATO surplus ball.
- Had to adjust the gas system, as per other CGN threads, to prevent the extractor from feeding the spent casings too quickly and jamming. Here's hoping my next trip to the range puts the rifle over the "magic 100" people have talked about.

Of Note:
- Very difficult to sand bag, and oddly needed significantly different sand bagging between my range partner and I.
- Optic was a good two feet low at 50m. Once adjusted the groups were reasonable at 100m at 2 to 3 inch without too much care.
 
stormtrooper1015 said:
2 to 3 inches at 100m with surplus portugese ammo - that definitely falls into my minute of deer requirement.... ;-)
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My range partner was doing better with the same ammunition... I wanted to shoulder and fire as per a hunt, not with the extreme caution of a range. The point is that even with the surplus ball, the rifle can do better. Either way, it will certainly do for Deer and Moose!

diananike said:
Just as long as you don't actually use that Ball ammo on deer!!!! :)
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No, absolutely not. I have yet to decide between Core-Lokt from Remington, and the Balistic Silvertip from Winchester, but I'm looking forward to the work required to sort it out. :D
 
I've bought a couple boxes of crappy FMJ to pickle the barrel with. Once done, i'm going to load around a 168 grain ballistic tip. I've bought a box of Noslers to start cooking with. I figure the round will be more than capable to anchor the range of game I plan on using the RFB for. I'll trade a bit of accuracy for a bullet that I have a great deal of confidence in. That said, i'm pretty certain I can get around 1 moa with this gun. ;-)
 
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stormtrooper1015 said:
I've bought a couple boxes of crappy FMJ to pickle the barrel with. Once done, i'm going to load around a 168 grain ballistic tip. I've bought a box of Noslers to start cooking with. I figure the round will be more than capable to anchor the range of game I plan on using the RFB for. I'll trade a bit of accuracy for a bullet that I have a great deal of confidence in. That said, i'm pretty certain I can get around 1 moa with this gun. ;-)
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I get 1 MOA with my RFB using Privi Partisan 308 FMJ BT 145 gr. (lot # 1001-64)
I think the BT bullets make that ammo shoot well, or it was made with new dies.

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chopper 1 said:
I get 1 MOA with my RFB using Privi Partisan 308 FMJ BT 145 gr. (lot # 1001-64)
I think the BT bullets make that ammo shoot well, or it was made with new dies.
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Can you get 1MOA consistently, or have you just shot one good 1MOA group so far? And what group size, 3 shot, 5 shot, etc.?

I am not calling BS or anything like that - just looking for some clarification since I am excited to push mine to its accuracy limits.
 
LloydM said:
Can you get 1MOA consistently, or have you just shot one good 1MOA group so far? And what group size, 3 shot, 5 shot, etc.?

I am not calling BS or anything like that - just looking for some clarification since I am excited to push mine to its accuracy limits.
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I have posted this info previously -

3 shots inside 1 inch - 5 shots inside 1 1/2 inch.
Consistently. With a 36x scope, or a 15x scope or a 4x scope, groups were the same size.

Milsurp shot like milsurp - even sorted off the ogive rounds did poorly.

Remington green and white box always had a flier in the group but I wasnt using anything sorted, if sorted it might do better, but I dont think it will be as good as Privi Partisan. Privi 308 shoots well in 6 out of 7 of my 308's.

The oldest of my .308's doesnt like Privi because it has some throat erosion and likes a longer O A L round.

Remember - benching an RFB is tough to do - try a front and rear rail extension to get the rest points as far apart as you can. The RFB is to short to bench effectively.

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The fat 18 1/2 Inch barrel with two brace points for the rail make the assembly VERY stiff - no barrel whip makes for fine accuracy consistency.

Kel Tech advises the RFB likes ammo in the 170 grain range, and that some rifles are more accurate than others.
The amerikan RFB owners are happy with accuracy as there are a lot more owners and reports of similar accuracy .

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tbloggins said:
It's self adhereing sponge that they use on M-16 butt stocks, trimmed to fit. Anything along that line would work.
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There is a guy out of the US that makes them out of Kydex. $50, but it's like it was made for the rifle. VERY much worth it... I hear it can be a beyatch when it's cold outside, or your gun gets warm without a cheekrest. ;)
 
canucklehead said:
There is a guy out of the US that makes them out of Kydex. $50, but it's like it was made for the rifle. VERY much worth it... I hear it can be a beyatch when it's cold outside, or your gun gets warm without a cheekrest. ;)
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I'm looking for a piece of kydex to try it out on. Not having much luck finding what I want.

In the meantime, the sponge works fine and takes away the chill.
 
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Not wanting to put a flash hider on and add to the length, I think I've gone about as far as I can with this, as far as accessories. I'm satisfied...................for now:D

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