Type 81 another importer

I guess a 4 foot level, off the hardware store shelf, is "precision" tools. This site does give me some laughs I must admit. I have done and do a fair bit of eyeballing, when I need to know for sure I use the tools and methods appropriate.

Open challenge:

take a couple of 4 foot levels and line them up next to each other, now take similar quality pics to what have been posted. These pics must replicate as close as possible the scale and perspective of the bent rifle pics. Take pics of the levels spaced perfectly parallel and also some pics of them misaligned by an eigth or sixteenth; anyone who can tell me by eye what pics are off and by how much, accurately and consistently, will be lauded as the human eyeball measuring champ.

I have seen disagreements between people eyeballing the same object and handling it in person, I take personal opinions as just that, personal opinions. I will say it again, give a group of us the exact same rifle to look at and there will be those who say bent and those that say straight.
 
Gents... doesn't matter what measurement methodology is applied. Our T81s are bent. Haven't heard of a single complaint regarding accuracy or safety from those who have accepted their rifles. Those who are bothered, have returned them to TI or been resold already.

This is a 5 MOA gun (and I'm choosing not to use "rifle" ha). The sights are positioned off the barrel and not the receiver. Bent or not, I still wouldn't shoot anything alive out past 100m with this thing at the most. And yes, I mag dump this this every time I hit the range with it - because ammo is dirt cheap and I have more fun with this thing than my AR.

Could TI have gone back to Poly and refused the entire lot? Probably. But likely more pertinent to get a handle on any documentation relating to what mil spec actually is for acceptance of delivery by the Red Army.
 
There is nothing wrong with th Type 81 imported to Canada other then they are SA instead of FA. They are built to the exact same standards and military acceptance as all the other thousands of 81’s in circulation. The misalignments are acceptable in the world it was built in. I am on 4 American AK forums and the Chinese Type 56 AK, the wasr as well as other Romanian and euro imports all have the same slight characteristics. Search AK on the MAC channel on you tube and they may as well be reviewing the 81 as far as manufacturing quality. The guys on the American forums who understand this drool over my 81 pics and would pay a premium to have in in their red rifle collection. The very thing people are complaining about is the exact thing that makes it an 81. The slight misalignment that some of these rifles have is completely acceptable in the world for which it was created. I got myself a red rifle made by the same manufacturer by the same tooling and with the same unique manufacturing characteristics as the Type 56 AK. This rifle was designed to hit a man size target in relatively close combat and it does that perfectly. It will never leave my collection.
 
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SKS45 said:
The very thing people are complaining about is the exact thing that makes it an 81. The slight misalignment that some of these rifles have is completely acceptable in the world for which it was created.
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Couldn't agree more, and precisely why I picked up mine. :ar15:d:h:
 
Deckard said:
Americans would say "you sold me this shyt? Ah, no."
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Well, here is one American with tons of access to firearms who didn't say "you sold me this shyt?" There were a handful imported to the USA just before the Chinese ban, Larry paid triple what we paid for His and has been showing it off proudly.... but hey, what would Vickers know, lol

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Early American attempts to produce an AK were absolute crap - why? Might have had something to do with the American fascination with "straight and tight". A couple of the makers thought that they should use the best quality parts they could find - including rivets. In went the steel rivets, to hold the front trunion exactly square to the receiver. After the gun destroyed itself, they tried hardened steel rivets. Same result. The answer? Leaded rivets, like the ones the Russians and Chinese use. It doesn't help accuracy to have the front trunion wandering around on flexi-rivets, but then, it isn't meant to. If you take Rifle Dynamics AK builder course, you'll find that there is a different design and build philosophy at work, this philosophy extends to the T81 since the folks who designed the T81 were educated by folks who grew up in the culture that produced the AK. Incidentally, there are folks who can shoot these rifles very well indeed, just not off a bench and not at one inch targets, because it isn't a bench gun and it isn't a target gun. It is better than a 5 inch gun, more like a 3 inch gun (if you can shoot 3 inches with irons standing unsupported) - 3 moa is 9 inches at 300, put a pie plate on your chest and ask if that's fit for purpose. If the gun is bent at rest when cool, what does that mean when the gun is hot and being fired, and the trunion and barrel both move? I don't know, and neither do you
 
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I have 2 T81s . they both run great and i can hit my 14 inch gong at 200 yards pretty much every time , what more could u ask for from a commie x39 rifle .. They actually seem to edge out the VZ rifles i have owned in accuracy , stiffer barrel i think . i did think mine looked kinda bent , for some reason when u look down it with one eye open it looks bent , with both eyes open it seems straight ? I could care less cause they shoot straight .
 
None of these explain the descrepency between the fixed and folder. The fixed clearly demonstrates they can build non-bent rifles so how did a handful (claimed by TI) severely bent rifles slipped passed the final QC inspection?
 
The Type 81 as we KNOW is not an Ak, but it was built on the same tactical principle... These rifles are not designed for semi-auto accuracy, they are used by guerrilla forces around the world for close quarter full auto. Although not a sub-machine gun operationally it us used the same. So you take a gun that was not designed to be an accurate target rifle and sell it to Canadians who are target practising and only have the semi-auto feature; you are going to have complaints as you have a market using the gun for it's unintended purpose! If you understand this you along with those who understand this may enjoy owning such a rifle. When it comes to QC, again you are purchasing a rifle that has a completely different idea of what QC is! Do you really think the taliban who never clean nor maintain their AK's or a group of kashin guerilla's with their 81's are sitting around worried about a slight misalignment, machine markings and sharp edges??? This is the kind of demand and expectations these rifles are built for and pass it's intended QC perfectly....

The Type 81 will never be your target rifle, you will be forced by our regulations to use it in its unintended purpose and the chinese don't give a crap that it doesn't pass your idea of qulaity control.... If you can't get your head around that then simply don't own one.... it is what it is!!!!
 
Deckard said:
It is what it is until enough customers say "stop selling us hobbled together guns made by near-blind peasants who can't read the specs."
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Your wrong, there are those of us who love the nostaligia of owning a "hobbled together gun used by near blind peasants who cant read spec"

Polytech isn't concerned about what Canadian customers have to say. They build for a larger market and they technically don't build the 81 these days, we were piggybacked off a military contract that isn't ongoing. You are either going to like thier gun or don't buy it.... There are lots of us who knew what we were getting and have an appreciation for it
 
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I really enjoy my "hobbled" 81:

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It's funny how the norinco SVD's are of such exceptional quality that even the Russians have a hard time figuring out whether or not they were actually produced in China.
 
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