Type 81 - Info, Pics, How & When to Order, etc. * POLL ADDED! * pls vote :)

Will you be buying a Type 81 on the first import batch from TI?

  • Yes

    Votes: 192 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 355 46.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 221 28.8%
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    768
Don't k ownif that's gonna work as they have different trunnions the AK's.
Same as not all AK's will take polish/romanian/chinese/milled reciever or stamped reciever stocks
 
I've heard the attachment point of the fixed stock is somewhat of a weak point, granted few of us will be smashing the dog heads of those daring to oppose the people's revolution, or the like.
 
870P said:
I've heard the attachment point of the fixed stock is somewhat of a weak point, granted few of us will be smashing the dog heads of those daring to oppose the people's revolution, or the like.
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I would not worry about it. Where did you hear it was a weak point? Looks solid to me, why wouldn't it be?
 
pcvando said:
I would not worry about it. Where did you hear it was a weak point? Looks solid to me, why wouldn't it be?
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It was on some military forum I think, it's been a long time.

I doubt its delicate exactly but the attachment point appears to be just a matter of sheet metal tabs and screws going into what's probably fairly soft wood.
 
870P said:
It was on some military forum I think, it's been a long time.

I doubt its delicate exactly but the attachment point appears to be just a matter of sheet metal tabs and screws going into what's probably fairly soft wood.
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hmmm - probably a bunch of couch commandos. Given that under 10 were ever imported into the USA (as low as 3!) I would take any feedback such as the one you read with a grain of salt.
 
Reading through old posts on m4carbine.net

Please note the first part of the quote is templar who borrowed larry vickers T81; and said that it would not take mags.. But someone replied stating that the rifles had since been amended.

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We actually tried both Euro and Chinese AK mags and they will not lock into the receiver at all....totally unuseable.

That's very interesting, and indicates that the rifle was probably made from an early example. The first Type 81s used magazines that were more closely patterned after the Type 63 (aka, Type 68 in many Western sources), which introduced that bolt hold-open and are not compatible with standard AKM magazines. At some point, somebody had the sudden thought, "Hey, we have ∞,000,000 Type 56 magazines that are 98% the same, but now non-compatible..." A bit of redesigning was ordered and many Type 81s are backwards-compatible. The logisitical "wisdom" of having a large number of rifles with externally similar, but non-compatible, magazines in the field with a large number of rifles with externally similar, compatible, magazines is not unusual for the PLA of the day. Until some political/military reforms in the 1990s - and to a certain extent even today - the institutional thinking in China was that "it's easier to do something again than it is to do it right the first time."
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Hopefully this means that the TI versions have been made with the later tech as well.
 
870P said:
It was on some military forum I think, it's been a long time.

I doubt its delicate exactly but the attachment point appears to be just a matter of sheet metal tabs and screws going into what's probably fairly soft wood.
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You sir, are partially correct.

From Kalashnikov AK47 Series: The 7.62 x 39mm Assault Rifle in Detail By Martin J Brayley:

Typically in weapon development many stages are needed to find the perfect weapon and again the type 2 receiver was not wihtout its own problems. The fitting of the wooden stock into the type 2a receiver proved to be a weak point Some basic attention to the issues and a little redesign work resulted in the type 3 receiver.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=wpZ8AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

A documented issue with earlier AK designs. Coupled with the use (range!) of this firearm in our hands, pretty sure this won't be an issue.
 
Dr.Islay said:
You sir, are partially correct.

From Kalashnikov AK47 Series: The 7.62 x 39mm Assault Rifle in Detail By Martin J Brayley:

Typically in weapon development many stages are needed to find the perfect weapon and again the type 2 receiver was not wihtout its own problems. The fitting of the wooden stock into the type 2a receiver proved to be a weak point Some basic attention to the issues and a little redesign work resulted in the type 3 receiver.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=wpZ8AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

A documented issue with earlier AK designs. Coupled with the use (range!) of this firearm in our hands, pretty sure this won't be an issue.
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Interesting for sure, I wonder which type of receiver the full stocks will have. Hopefully type 3.
 
pcvando said:
hmmm - probably a bunch of couch commandos. Given that under 10 were ever imported into the USA (as low as 3!) I would take any feedback such as the one you read with a grain of salt.
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They were Chinese and at least some of the posters seemed to have carried them in service.

I work with an 50something ex PLA soldier, I'll ask him more about the Type 81 again when I back from holidays. no can haz English though, for example he didn't recognize the English terms for Type 56, Type 81 etc, or even my pronunciation of some Chinese words, I'll have to show him pictures this time.
 
Dr.Islay said:
A documented issue with earlier AK designs. Coupled with the use (range!) of this firearm in our hands, pretty sure this won't be an issue.
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What? you don't plan on using your rifle for things like climbing on when fully loaded with gear?
 
Personally I'd rather have the fixed stock, but being able to fold the stock and stick into a smaller, less conspicuous container is important if you live in an urban apartment like I do.
 
To confirm, TI is the only place to preorder at this time?

They are charging full price for a preorder... never seen them do that before.
 
cerebral_bore said:
To confirm, TI is the only place to preorder at this time?

They are charging full price for a preorder... never seen them do that before.
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TI is the only one importing the Poly Technologies version of the type 81.

So yes, only them so far.

Other dealers have expressed interest in bringing the type in, but no other frt entries exist for any make/model that they would bring.
 
EMEI is North Sylva's front for the chinese rifles. They're the only supplier of the Type 97's, so I figure they'd be importing their own version at some point.
 
Full price for a preorder is a new one... especially with the product not even built yet, in a foreign country, across an ocean, months away from delivery

I have no doubt TI would refund you if one of a plethora of possible roadblocks was encountered, but that's not the point.
 
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