Type 81 - Info, Pics, How & When to Order, etc. * POLL ADDED! * pls vote :)
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Finding the Romanian sidefolder will then become the problem.
So now that these are blued, we can make sense of the price tag just a little more. I still see these rifles at an "Introductory, no one has it, buy from us" price point, which I won't buy into personally. That kind of explains why they want the full price up front, rather than 10%, which people could easily cancel should there be cheaper options elsewhere.
Parkerizing isn't any cheaper to do than blueing unless the latter is a fancy high polish job.
I get the impression that TI is small operation and can't beat the bigger more established guys on volume.
Me personally I'm probably going to wait until they are available at a local gun store so I can check them out in person before I buy.
TI has stated that there will likely not be any to sell, as the pre-order is for the full lot.
Once they are gone, that's it. No stores will get any, unless used ones pop up after, but I wouldn't be surprised if they sell for more...
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Why is 10% easier to cancel than 100%? It's just a number. If product hasn't been delivered one can always back out of a deal.
If the gun has an FRT # and is listed as non-restricted (plus is a good seller), then every other sponsor will jump on the bandwagon and try to order them from Norinco. Sponsors like Can Am, perhaps?
We could very well see a "Dominion Arms Type 81 Canadian Sporting Rifle" in the works... maybe even as we speak, lol!
I'd say TI deserves to get a little extra for assuming all the initial risk of bringing these in... as for more arriving, that's pretty much guaranteed. Where there's a demand, the Chinese will manufacture and deliver!
They would have to find another supplier, other than EMEI/Poly Tech, as they're the only ones right now that have an FRT for their version of the Type 81. TI's game right now is first to market, with exclusivity. We don't know how long it will take for others to get their own version, especially if they need a new FRT number to sideswipe TI's exclusivity with Poly.
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New manufacture, make or model would automatically be a new frt entry. It's like an encyclopedia. Variations of a specific model like barrel length and calibre is an addition to the existing entry, but changes in manufacture, make, model or action (semi vs full vs converted auto) generates a new frt parent entry.
For example, a colt ar15a2 has a different frt number than a colt ar15a3.
If another importer brought in the exact same manufacture, make and model of type 81,then it would be lumped into the existing frt.
But change the name, model or brand and it's all new. Doesn't mean it would need a whole other exam, but the lab probably would none the less. They seem to lack faith in the stuff coming out of China to be consistent.
For example, a colt ar15a2 has a different frt number than a colt ar15a3.
If another importer brought in the exact same manufacture, make and model of type 81,then it would be lumped into the existing frt.
But change the name, model or brand and it's all new. Doesn't mean it would need a whole other exam, but the lab probably would none the less. They seem to lack faith in the stuff coming out of China to be consistent.
It seems like you're knowledgeable about this stuff, but it's clear you don't know what you're actually referencing.
I use the Type 97 as an example where a new FRT was needed in order to get the Type 97 out of limbo of the RCMP when CanAm had their cockup with the rifles. A new FRT was needed because North Sylva had their version of the T97 as the T97 NSR, the NS standing for North Sylva, thus creating a new model of the gun (Along with changed internals a bit), and also declaring complete exclusivity of import rights, and thus our market. That's the reason why nobody else can import their own.
It may be in this case that TI has their version of exclusivity, tied to the FRT of the T81 SA models, both folding and fixed. If that's the case, unless someone else can get their own FRT in, then everyone is stuck with TI being the exclusive importer.
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I was simply saying how the frt works. A Dominion Arms Type 81 wouldn't share the same FRT number as TI's, nor would a "Norinco Type 81" share it, if those were what they were branding them as.
New FRT entry would be generated. Just because one model of the type comes in, doesn't mean that another importer's type won't be declared full auto and prohibited.
China doesn't care about FRT entries. They only care about their contracts. That is what dictates exclusivity. How that works I don't know as that is the fine print of the contract. The FRT plays no roles in their talks, other than to get the green light to start bringing them in.
There are multiple Type 97 attempts by multiple importers. Only one has been successful in getting classed in our favour. All have their own individual frt entries.
New FRT entry would be generated. Just because one model of the type comes in, doesn't mean that another importer's type won't be declared full auto and prohibited.
China doesn't care about FRT entries. They only care about their contracts. That is what dictates exclusivity. How that works I don't know as that is the fine print of the contract. The FRT plays no roles in their talks, other than to get the green light to start bringing them in.
There are multiple Type 97 attempts by multiple importers. Only one has been successful in getting classed in our favour. All have their own individual frt entries.
Thanks for clearing that up, guys (regarding the FRT # procedure). That "gun lab" works in mysterious ways sometimes, lol!
Regardless of how they decide to go about it, once a certain firearm is in, it will be very unlikely that a carbon-copy of the exact same firearm under another name would receive a different classification. Hence why TI is paving the way for more Type 81's hitting our market in a not-so-distant future, most probably.
Interesting times for sure...
You can even pimp it out, Chinese police style!
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Regardless of how they decide to go about it, once a certain firearm is in, it will be very unlikely that a carbon-copy of the exact same firearm under another name would receive a different classification. Hence why TI is paving the way for more Type 81's hitting our market in a not-so-distant future, most probably.
Interesting times for sure...
You can even pimp it out, Chinese police style!
http://3.bp.########.com/-hMb8rPls9VA/T_zpxMC0r2I/AAAAAAAAM0s/VbnbxWMxv5s/s1600/Chinese+People's+Armed+Police+Force+(CAPF)+to+use+the+improved+version+of+the+Chinese+Type+81+automatic+rifles+(1).jpg
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Thanks for clearing that up, guys (regarding the FRT # procedure). That "gun lab" works in mysterious ways sometimes, lol!
Regardless of how they decide to go about it, once a certain firearm is in, it will be very unlikely that a carbon-copy of the exact same firearm under another name would receive a different classification. Hence why TI is paving the way for more Type 81's hitting our market in a not-so-distant future, most probably.
Interesting times for sure...
You'd think it would be that easy. A recent attempt at another Type 88 version to market got gonged as prohib (full auto).
Like I said, just because one came in, doesn't mean another importer's attempt with another brand and model will get a pass.
You'd be amazed how many parent frt entries there are for the Chinese SKS. Usually a new entry for any time they identify a different arsenal being stamped on the gun. Russian Tula and Izzy sks each have a different frt entry as well.
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Restricted versions coming?
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Not at first. You think you'd notice the 3/4 inch difference?
(That's what she said....)
It's only an inch difference (25mm I'm reading which is an inch)... maybe it's not that much of a difference then. That folding stock looks hideous, in my opinion. Nice wood furniture and I'd probably pull the plug. I'll wait until you guys get yours and see what they look like. If the restricted version comes in cheaper, I might buy it for the shorter barrel preference and the savings.
