Type 81 - Info, Pics, How & When to Order, etc. * POLL ADDED! * pls vote :)
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Tell em' to make a 15.5" shorty for us krinkers
Don't think a krink version was ever made. There was a version with an integrated suppressor though.
Yes, I realize that... but if the receivers are identical (as in: not converted autos that were stripped from a once assembled FA gun, à la CZ-858), then the authorization to bring them in should stand the same. Administrative law states that administrative decisions have to have continuity... as in not change depending on the color of the sky on a given day.
As an example, if an administrative body gives permission for one thing to person or entity A, it cannot refuse permission for the same thing and under the same circumstances (and same legal framework) to person or entity B. In essence, every decision has a continuity and therefore administrative bodies have to be careful as not to create a precedent with a wrong decision. In a very real way, you could say that a decision rendered by a competent administrative authority has the force of law.
The TI Type 81 FRT # is a precedent. Even if the "other" future T81 rifles have a different nomenclature for import purposes, they are still under the same umbrella (provided that there aren't any technical differences between them and the TI precedent). A lot of sponsors get their shipments "gonged as prohibs" because of questionable manufacturing processes at their suppliers' plants, it seems.
That, at least, is how it's "supposed" to work.
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I agree, if the receivers are identical, then they are both semi auto, and they are both NR or R depending on the barrel that is attached to them. No argument. And yes, the FRT for the TI Polytech Type 81 is a precedent, but only so far in that the semi auto design is not prohibited as a variant or a named prohibited type, like the AK47.
However, the crux lies in whether or not the next importers version is actually identical to the receiver that TI has brought in. If it is, no issue. However the lab will want to check it out to be sure. It isn't about permission, it is about whether or not the receivers are the same in function.
TI imported the Type 88 years ago. It received a NR status. Another importer has recently tried to import a Type 88 style, in their own designation/make/model and received a prohibited status because the lab found it to be full auto. This is the very example of what we are talking about.
Additionally, the Bushmaster M17s is non-restricted. K&M Arms is making their own version of the M17s, with a lower that is completely interchangeable with the lower of a Bushmaster M17s, except in one is metal (K&M), and one is plastic (Bushmaster) and the lab has the K&M version tied up in inspections now for almost 2 years.
The test might not be as long, or as difficult to pass, but the lab will want to be satisfied that the next importers version is also semi auto. They won't just assume it is.
If someone else wanted to import the Polytech Type81SA from Emei, the lab wouldn't care or even have issue. It would be one FRT, just with two importers now instead of one. But one from elsewhere, it will get scrutiny.
Canada Ammo has posted they have a sample at the lab. If it were as you say, that one wouldn't be stuck in classification exams right now, like it is.
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Very true and it makes sense for them to test it as such, no arguments there. I just don't think they could get away with classifying them as "prohibited" IF the receivers turn out to be exactly the same on both.
As you said though, it might take some time to get there... but TI definitely paved the way with this initial shipment. All the other sponsors have to do now is make sure their Chinese supplier doesn't attempt to "cut corners" in funny ways when manufacturing the receivers.
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Very true and it makes sense for them to test it as such, no arguments there. I just don't think they could get away with classifying them as "prohibited" IF the receivers turn out to be exactly the same on both.
As you said though, it might take some time to get there... but TI definitely paved the way with this initial shipment. All the other sponsors have to do now is make sure their Chinese supplier doesn't attempt to "cut corners" in funny ways when manufacturing the receivers.
No I totally agree. If the receivers are the same, they will share the same classification. But they will check, every time, to make sure the new "model" or "brand" is the same. They've had egg on their face before with the Type 97 thing, the cz858 thing, that Swiss thing.
Go figure, they are gun shy.
The hard part is out of the way though, getting them to say it isn't prohibited by name as a variant under OIC. That is the biggest hurdle and TI gets all the kudos for that. Now the only thing any future model has to pass is whether or not is is full auto, or easily converted to full auto. Easy, right?? You can modify a design out of the full auto prohib class, but no amount of design modification contained within the spirit of a gun's origin can ever be done to get out of the "prohib by name" class.
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Blaze 47... enough said!
(it'd be funny if it wasn't so damn sad...)
Ya. That is the lab saying it is a variant of a name prohib. Not saying I agree, but that is the part the Type 81 got by. Highlights my point exactly.
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Water buffalo defence thread in 3.... 2.... 1.....
Don't laugh... unregistered water buffalo "on our streets" are a serious threat to public safety!
Water buffalo victims, special interests and women's groups around the country DEMAND for the government to do something!!!
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Ok, my bad for taking that derail way too far.
To bring the thread back in line, here is a Type 81 with bayonet mounted.
I find it humorous that people are complaining over the price tag for this semi-auto non-restricted type 81 rifle. Heck that's what people were asking for a deactivated AK47 up until recently. The Type 81 is ugly as all get out so Ill have to buy one. Fixed stock of course. I wonder if the extra mags a shorties as well? Thanks for bringing these in Tactical Imports !
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Mags are advertised as 5/30.
This is it right here, people would buy Dewatted AK47/74/AKSU for the same price as an actual functioning rifle BUT then complain ed about price. I definitely agree with you on that
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I think it is beautiful lookig firearm!!!!
