Type 81 Refinish and modification

randyhub said:
How are you guys finding the distance between the sights?

I have an SKS and want to do peeps as far back as possible.
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No problem with the sights once I removed the top bar. I still can't shoot worth sh!t with them but I think it's more to do with my eyes.
What does your SKS and peep sights have to do with this? Put your peep sights wherever you want, your SKS still won't shoot tiny groups.
 
Well seeing as the 81 has similar sights to the SKS, that are actually closer together. I was looking for general feedback before I buy better sights. Well I have no doubt neither the 81 nor the SKS will shoot accurately I was just asking about the sights being close together.

Guess that's what they have in common both being simple ramp style sights. Some systems have peep sights replacing the ramp sight like Mojo for Russian style rifles.

Sorry if my question was not related in anyway. I just never warmed up to this style of sight after having ARs.
 
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Managed to fit one of our vented sks handguards to the T81, with a lot of fitting required. Of course the factory Zhukov upper is too short and wide to fit the T81 skeleton, conceivably most SKS upper handguards could be modified to fit.

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just remove that storage on the folder and HiCal variant of type81 will look pretty tactiCOOL, and not as crazy/ bubba as those front handguard TI is selling
 
here something nobody have tried yet ..... just an idea i got still i think i can lower the trs of another 1/4 inch , this is only a 3d printed prototype ,

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randyhub said:
Well seeing as the 81 has similar sights to the SKS, that are actually closer together. I was looking for general feedback before I buy better sights. Well I have no doubt neither the 81 nor the SKS will shoot accurately I was just asking about the sights being close together.

Guess that's what they have in common both being simple ramp style sights. Some systems have peep sights replacing the ramp sight like Mojo for Russian style rifles.

Sorry if my question was not related in anyway. I just never warmed up to this style of sight after having ARs.
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Sorry, thought you were talking about putting different sights on the SKS. I wouldn't waste a bunch of money trying to upgrade the sights unless it's to add a dot sight, these are not accurate rifles and you can end up spending a lot of money to "upgrade" the sights only to find that the rifle still doesn't shoot very well. These are reliable bullet hoses, enjoy it for what it is.
 
cr5 said:
Sorry, thought you were talking about putting different sights on the SKS. I wouldn't waste a bunch of money trying to upgrade the sights unless it's to add a dot sight, these are not accurate rifles and you can end up spending a lot of money to "upgrade" the sights only to find that the rifle still doesn't shoot very well. These are reliable bullet hoses, enjoy it for what it is.
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I think anything that increases sight radius, or virtual sight radius (such as a red dot) will tend to shrink groups.

A limiting factor right now is that proximity between front and rear sights is a physical limitation increasing the effect of slight inconsistency of sight alignment between shots.

While not worth the expense, if you put high end 10x optics on a type 81, even with milsurp ammo, it might be a 2 or 3 moa rifle to a good marksman.
 
I agree these types of rifles will never be MOA guns for sure. Guess the real issue is my eyes are not what they were and I mostly use optics.

But the peeps on my AR still offer such a better sight picture than these forward ramp style sights. That said guess I just need to suck it up, or buy some aftermarket peep sights like the TS200 style sights but thanks for the feedback on how the 81 sights work. Really like the looks of the 81 reminds me of my old 84s before the dark times of the 90s. :(

Hopeflly we do not have a second round of new laws that will drive these types of rifles into gun safes.
 
randyhub said:
I agree these types of rifles will never be MOA guns for sure. Guess the real issue is my eyes are not what they were and I mostly use optics.

But the peeps on my AR still offer such a better sight picture than these forward ramp style sights. That said guess I just need to suck it up, or buy some aftermarket peep sights like the TS200 style sights but thanks for the feedback on how the 81 sights work. Really like the looks of the 81 reminds me of my old 84s before the dark times of the 90s. :(

Hopeflly we do not have a second round of new laws that will drive these types of rifles into gun safes.
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I'm in the same boat, my accuracy problems with the T-81 are probably more to do with my eyes getting old than the potential of rifle.
If you are in the Edmonton area in the new year PM me and we can try to line up a day for you to come shoot my T81, I always prefer to handle and shoot a rifle before purchase but these days with pre-sale everything it's getting harder and harder to know what you're buying before it shows up in the mail.
I'd like a way to mount a dot sight, other than that I'll just put up with it the way it is and be happy with 8 moa.


Claven2 said:
I think anything that increases sight radius, or virtual sight radius (such as a red dot) will tend to shrink groups.

A limiting factor right now is that proximity between front and rear sights is a physical limitation increasing the effect of slight inconsistency of sight alignment between shots.

While not worth the expense, if you put high end 10x optics on a type 81, even with milsurp ammo, it might be a 2 or 3 moa rifle to a good marksman.
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Increasing the sight radius might help but I don't know if it would be enough of an improvement to be worth the cost. I think I can make tighter groups with a pistol than I can with my T81, lol. Not sure the sight radius is going to help this one very much, :p
 
I wonder if the Tech sights for the Ak could be modified for the T81?
the Tec sights for the AK come with a dust cover and recoil spring as a direct swap over if the factory parts.
the sight would have to be fitted to the T81, this looks like it would not be too muchnof a problem, not sure about the recoil spring? The AK one will be shorter so the T81 spring would have to be worked into the tech sight system

I wonder if parts like stocks and dust covers will ever be available?
It would be nice to have for projects like this.

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cr5 said:
Increasing the sight radius might help but I don't know if it would be enough of an improvement to be worth the cost. I think I can make tighter groups with a pistol than I can with my T81, lol. Not sure the sight radius is going to help this one very much, :p
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Surely that's an exaggeration. Even the crummy shot guys here blasting away willy nilly with the cheapest of cheap ammo are getting 10MOA in various shooting positions (probably more from a rest).

If you can shoot 10 MOA from a pistol (i.e. 100 yard 10" pistol groups) you should be sponsored - you'll have a wall full of bullseye trophies in no time.
 
josey wales said:
I wonder if the Tech sights for the Ak could be modified for the T81?
the Tec sights for the AK come with a dust cover and recoil spring as a direct swap over if the factory parts.
the sight would have to be fitted to the T81, this looks like it would not be too muchnof a problem, not sure about the recoil spring? The AK one will be shorter so the T81 spring would have to be worked into the tech sight system

I wonder if parts like stocks and dust covers will ever be available?
It would be nice to have for projects like this.

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Neat concept.

We know the T81 receiver is the same width at the top as an AKM, but I'm not sure if the dust cover lengths are similar. It would be nice to know if an AKM dust cover will fit on the T81.

If anyone here has both a T81 and a T84 AKM, it would be nice to know if they are interchangeable.
 
T81 dust cover is longer, T81 has that space between trigger group and mag release. The T81 dust cover would have to be the doner cover and be re worked
I have a spare chinese AK dust cover i pulled out of a box of parts just to make sure and it is too short.
 
Claven2 said:
Surely that's an exaggeration. Even the crummy shot guys here blasting away willy nilly with the cheapest of cheap ammo are getting 10MOA in various shooting positions (probably more from a rest).

If you can shoot 10 MOA from a pistol (i.e. 100 yard 10" pistol groups) you should be sponsored - you'll have a wall full of bullseye trophies in no time.
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I'll have to take my G17 with me and see what I can do at shorter ranges with the T81 and G17 side by side off a rest. Just looking at my 50 yard groups with the T81 and thinking that unless I can get a dot sight on here nothing is going to help enough to be worth the time, money and effort.



josey wales said:
I wonder if the Tech sights for the Ak could be modified for the T81?
the Tec sights for the AK come with a dust cover and recoil spring as a direct swap over if the factory parts.
the sight would have to be fitted to the T81, this looks like it would not be too muchnof a problem, not sure about the recoil spring? The AK one will be shorter so the T81 spring would have to be worked into the tech sight system

I wonder if parts like stocks and dust covers will ever be available?
It would be nice to have for projects like this.
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How does that work with the button at the back of the dust cover?
I think an AK style side mount rail is probably the best option to get a better sight mounted on these rifles. I'd want to get something quick detach that held the rail as low as possible over the dust cover.
 
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After watching videos the button is replaced with new piece provided that sits inside the dust cover to hold the recoil spring.
The dust cover is then held on with a cross pin similar to the SKS
 
josey wales said:
T81 dust cover is longer, T81 has that space between trigger group and mag release. The T81 dust cover would have to be the doner cover and be re worked
I have a spare chinese AK dust cover i pulled out of a box of parts just to make sure and it is too short.
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That's too bad, but presumably one could be modified to this system, provided the recoil spring assembly can be fitted to the tech sights back end. It may be able to, given they both go into the trunnion the same way.

I wonder if the parts kits TI is bringing in will include spare dust covers?
 
have any of you removed the plastic piece from your folders with pics? if it looks good with that ugly plastic gone i may hop on this train!
 
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