Type 81 vs AK47

[fenceline]

The type 81 has been made in a semi auto format for export since before 1989. The US got less than 10 into the country before the Chinese import ban hammer came down. Those guns are reported to be of fine quality.

 

[Walther_PPK]

If the ARs were non-restricted in Canada, the bbl length would increase for field use.

If the AR15 went Non-restricted I'd swap my 14.5" for an 18.5" or longer in a heartbeat! Suppliers wouldn't be able to keep non-restricted barrels in stock.

Someone should be whipping up some 18.6" Type 81 barrels right now to prepare for their arrival

 

[fenceline]

If the AR15 went Non-restricted I'd swap my 14.5" for an 18.5" or longer in a heartbeat! Suppliers wouldn't be able to keep non-restricted barrels in stock.

Someone should be whipping up some 18.6" Type 81 barrels right now to prepare for their arrival

The type 81 will be coming in with NR barrels. No one will have to star making them.

 

[Walther_PPK]

The type 81 will be coming in with NR barrels. No one will have to star making them.

That's great news. I figured the restricted ones would come in first and there would be a wait.

 

[enefgee]

Frankly I wish the Chinese would lighten up a bit, and let us have the 5.8 round - I don't know anyone who has used the round, but I think it's a fascinating one (besides, think about how cheap the surplus would be). Then the T95/97 would make a little more sense, and we might get a shot at the QBZ 03.
RE: Vz versus AK - there are 2 places that make Vz's and they're using the same drawings (and they're Czech/Slovak - those guys love guns) there are literally hundreds of AK producers, some of whom don't have drawings. A huge problem for a while in the US was producers using the wrong rivets - they thought that by using "stronger" and thicker trunion rivets they would get a better gun, all they did was make a gun that would break rivets. I'm sure the Russians found that out in the 50's, and it's probably in the drawings somewhere, but that's the kind of error that occurs when you're working blind. What I'm trying to say is that the Vz's in North America have a better chance of being a good gun than the AK's, simply because all Vz producers are on the same page, while some AK producers don't actually have a page to be on.

 

[Visleguy]

The type 81 will be coming in with NR barrels. No one will have to star making them.

Out of curiosity, do you know this to be a fact based comment or are you merely speculating? Obviously it would make complete sense for the importers to request 18.6" barrels but I've yet to hear them confirm that they will be imported with them.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Frankly I wish the Chinese would lighten up a bit, and let us have the 5.8 round - I don't know anyone who has used the round, but I think it's a fascinating one (besides, think about how cheap the surplus would be). Then the T95/97 would make a little more sense, and we might get a shot at the QBZ 03.

I wonder how much more better(est) it could really be though. Seems to be just another small caliber high velocity round. Any info I've seen on it has it at approximately 62gr projectile at around 3,000 fps. The (kind of newer) MK318 5.56mm Cartridge reaches those same specs with a very impressive projectile design that's also barrier blind. A lot of the mystique of the cartridge stems from the Chinese being so protective about it making it rare and giving it a mythical status. I may be wrong here but any logical thought on the matter points my perspective of it in said direction.

I'd rather see some NR rifles in the much more common 5.45x39mm Soviet round! There are gads of surplus for that. Sadly though the majority of rifles that shoot it are of the AK variant. I'd take a half decent bolt gun chambered in it for sure though. Very small niche but the ammo would be so cheap if there were rifles that chambered it not on a prohib list in Canada
There have been some AR's chambered in it as well as an apparent conversion kit for the Tavor though!

 

[870P]

The Type 81 appears to have somewhat less muzzle climb and cycling related motion compared to a typical 7.62x39 AK, if videos are anything to go by. Pretty decent considering it doesn't even have a muzzle brake.

 

[EL34/6L6]

We will of course be receiving the T81S though right? Any other differences other than the select fire option?

 

[Claven2]

Sure. But there seems to be a group of people that think their 10 inch ar would also become non restricted. Which it wouldn't.

If the libs wanted to lower the potential of stolen AR15 SBRs getting out in the wild, effectively getting them "off the street" like they promised, all they'd have to do is make the AR15 non-restricted with 18.5" or longer barrels. Almost everyone would switch to 18.5"+ barrels, classic 20" Colts would skyrocket in value, and loose barrels under 18.5" would be all over the place for bargain basement prices and seen as almost worthless. Retailers would literally cease stocking them.

If they REALLY wanted to get rid of SBR's they could have a voluntary buy-back for stripped AR barrel under 18.5", say $100 a piece, and they would virtually all disappear from society.

Now that is actually a liberal/progressive move I could get on side with. I see no reason for the AR to be treated differently than any other semi-auto black rifle.

 

[ShawnC6]

If the libs wanted to lower the potential of stolen AR15 SBRs getting out in the wild, effectively getting them "off the street" like they promised, all they'd have to do is make the AR15 non-restricted with 18.5" or longer barrels. Almost everyone would switch to 18.5"+ barrels, classic 20" Colts would skyrocket in value, and loose barrels under 18.5" would be all over the place for bargain basement prices and seen as almost worthless. Retailers would literally cease stocking them.

If they REALLY wanted to get rid of SBR's they could have a voluntary buy-back for stripped AR barrel under 18.5", say $100 a piece, and they would virtually all disappear from society.

Now that is actually a liberal/progressive move I could get on side with. I see no reason for the AR to be treated differently than any other semi-auto black rifle.

Wouldn't make much since since the barrels themselves are unregulated and anyone can buy them

 

[j_06]

I don't buy junk.

Yet you have a hard on for sks's and Mosins. Quite ironic.

 

[Claven2]

Wouldn't make much since since the barrels themselves are unregulated and anyone can buy them

Yes, I'm not talking about banning the barrels, I'm talking about making the conditions right such that most people would have no use for them and therefore not buy them.

 

[Claven2]

Yet you have a hard on for sks's and Mosins. Quite ironic.

I would not call either of those guns, both made of milled steel, "junk".

To make an SKS today, a north american manufacturer would have to charge $1000+.

 

[Bendeco]

Yet you have a hard on for sks's and Mosins. Quite ironic.

Tell me how a Russian made sks or Mosin is junk?

By the way I own a vz58 and it is an awesome rifle better than this junky Chinese tin rifle coming out. Yes the vz58 is better.

Trudeau will probably put a stop to the import of any future import of arms.

 

[wbaad]

I'd like the ak to be NR. Lots of potential to build off old parts kits would be lots of fun! Also way more spares and other things available.
Type 81 is a great start though

 

[pcvando]

I would not call either of those guns, both made of milled steel, "junk".

To make an SKS today, a north american manufacturer would have to charge $1000+.

This.

 

[Bendeco]

This.

True

 

[riversrest]

Only time I get to go on CGN is when I'm sitting on the toilet.

Your posts have about the same crap value.

 

[Bendeco]

Your posts have about the same crap value.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought we are all just trying to enjoy the same hobby.

When the green light is on that means occupied.