Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO

I own many ar's, and they are very reliable if you keep them lubricated and clean, but are not in the same league as an ak for reliability or dependability...

Ar's are more accurate, lighter and have better human engineering as far as location of safety etc. But I had failures with them, jams and failure to feed when they get dirty, or in cold or sandy conditions. In the extreme cold for example on two different occasions [-45] the trigger spring was to weak to hit the firing pin with any force to set the primer off, and it jams when it got real dirty etc, great reliable weapon under normal conditions but you have to look after them, and keep them squeaky clean...

Not so with the ak, mine has never jammed or misfired under any circumstances in over 8000 rounds... clean dirty or other wise... Plus it loves the cold or the sand with no problems there. It is the most rugged there is, the reliability is legendary.... But the ak was half as accurate as the Ar... Bad accuracy and human engineering for the Ak were minuses for the rifle.

And the type 97 is suppose to be the ak's equal in Reliability, plus the accuracy of an Ar, all in a bull pup design, [which makes it shorter and easy to handle] plus cheap to buy, that is why this rifle is in a new dimension in my opinion for assault rifles...
 
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Throttle_monkey1 said:
I think the rcmp will prohib this thing. I feel we have a long court battle ahead of us.
I am willing go that far. I don't think the ruling would hold up in court
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Actually I'm starting to get the feeling there's really nothing they can do to prohib it... and now they're just holding the shipment just for ####s and giggles... either that or they're talking to the higher-ups in Ottawa to really try to get the power to prohib it, because as of now, they can't really do ####.
 
It is true, since how could these be prohib, when the last batch with the shorter barrel was restricted, does not make sense, you would think that if it went to court, the judge would through the whole thing out.
 
BEL-AIR said:
It is true, since how could these be prohib, when the last batch with the shorter barrel was restricted, does not make sense, you would think that if it went to court, the judge would through the whole thing out.
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Yes, then they appeal and appeal all the way to the SCC, the downside to all this is time. Saddly what the RCMP is doing is both disgusting and an embarasment to law enforcement and Canada as a whole. Anyhow lets keep pounding C-301 for now as the T97 may take a while to hammer out.
 
The RCMP will classify these as a converted auto. Then we will have to fight it in court. There I think we have a good chance of winning.

I hope I'm wrong, and will keep my money with canam until the final outcome.
 
My question is, if it goes to court, and we win, and the RCMP appeals it, don't they still have to release the rifles? The judges ruling would stand until a higher court ruled against us, no?

Could the RCMP hold the rifles after losing a court case, because they would appeal it?
 
I honestly don't know where everyone get's all their info from. I gave Canada ammo a call today, just to see what was up, and according to them, the RCMP haven't really told them anything. That's what they told me, that the RCMP hasn't made any kind of decision yet. It was a hard decision to not call the CFC right after, cause if there's one thing I enjoy doing , it's cussing out civil servants.

It's kinda funny though, that some people seem to know more than the dealer in this situation.
 
The thing I find odd, is that if in fact the RCMP will prohibit them why all the drama, if it was a clean cut determination on their part why not just spit it out and be done with it. They are stalling for something, like mentionned the conv-FA thing might not be an easy one for them to sell and are looking at other ways to deal with them.?!?!
 
Seems to be a lot of newbs posting today:cool:

Guys please re-read my first post in this thread...that's all we know for sure at this point.

Then re-read Lectors posts. There's a lot of info there, grump or not.
 
furet said:
The thing I find odd, is that if in fact the RCMP will prohibit them why all the drama, if it was a clean cut determination on their part why not just spit it out and be done with it. They are stalling for something, like mentionned the conv-FA thing might not be an easy one for them to sell and are looking at other ways to deal with them.?!?!
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I wouldn't doubt if there's some conniving going on, but more than likely it's the simple oil/water relationship of government employees/efficiency & intelligence
 
The T97 is only one of several rifles they have made "rulings" on which would likely never stand up in court. Rule of law and the RCMP don't exactly mix these days, more like just plain old rule.

furet said:
The thing I find odd, is that if in fact the RCMP will prohibit them why all the drama, if it was a clean cut determination on their part why not just spit it out and be done with it. They are stalling for something, like mentionned the conv-FA thing might not be an easy one for them to sell and are looking at other ways to deal with them.?!?!
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First up..... I want one of these rifles. Let's be clear.

Second up.... I wanted it because I'm in the North, if you leave town you take a gun. The T97a would fit in my sled trunk. I measured.

Third.... I am impatient. So I wrote an email to an MP's office, and asked (nicely I might add, flaming doesn't make people want to help you.... honey/vinegar bla bla bla...) if they knew who I could contact regarding this, as the Firearms Centre and others I've emailed won't give helpful answers, or answers at all.

Fourth.. I called the number their office provided, and spoke to the person whose name I was given. The reply was:

The Type 97 is essentially unchanged from the full-auto version. They can change it over with very little tinkering, it takes minutes. The firearm will be classified as Prohib, at best restricted. He explained that the initial classification was based on speaking to the manufacturer, and the data they provided. Not a sample. He also asked me if I wanted the address to his office to send a bomb... (not kidding).

This is the answer I received. Should someone want to PM me for the contact number and name, I can provide it.

For me the rifle was utilitarian, some of you have a little more vested interest or want than I do. I will probably move on to the Tavor if I can get one now, and beg the wife to allow me to spend more than I should for a similar styled rifle.

Please don't shoot the messenger here. I'm just relaying what was told to me. If the individual in question was plain lying, I will be very upset, as I will be out an extra 2000 bucks. However, I can't see that, as he was very easy to speak to and answered all questions to the best of his ability.

There ya go.

Formerly Arctic Blaser, now, probably, Sacrificial Lamb
 
This in no way makes the rifle a CA.

Arctic Blaser said:
First up..... I want one of these rifles. Let's be clear.

Second up.... I wanted it because I'm in the North, if you leave town you take a gun. The T97a would fit in my sled trunk. I measured.

Third.... I am impatient. So I wrote an email to an MP's office, and asked (nicely I might add, flaming doesn't make people want to help you.... honey/vinegar bla bla bla...) if they knew who I could contact regarding this, as the Firearms Centre and others I've emailed won't give helpful answers, or answers at all.

Fourth.. I called the number their office provided, and spoke to the person whose name I was given. The reply was:

The Type 97 is essentially unchanged from the full-auto version. They can change it over with very little tinkering, it takes minutes. The firearm will be classified as Prohib, at best restricted. He explained that the initial classification was based on speaking to the manufacturer, and the data they provided. Not a sample. He also asked me if I wanted the address to his office to send a bomb... (not kidding).

This is the answer I received. Should someone want to PM me for the contact number and name, I can provide it.

For me the rifle was utilitarian, some of you have a little more vested interest or want than I do. I will probably move on to the Tavor if I can get one now, and beg the wife to allow me to spend more than I should for a similar styled rifle.

Please don't shoot the messenger here. I'm just relaying what was told to me. If the individual in question was plain lying, I will be very upset, as I will be out an extra 2000 bucks. However, I can't see that, as he was very easy to speak to and answered all questions to the best of his ability.

There ya go.

Formerly Arctic Blaser, now, probably, Sacrificial Lamb
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Crap, looks like we might be screwed then....hehehehe

If it was restricted it would suck, prohib even bigger.... So if it is prohib then what happens to the rifles and our monies? Were do they go?
 
Mean Steak said:
I own a restricted T97 and let me assure you that it is a innovative, reliable and accurate. No matter what I feed it re-loads or factory ammo it always places nice tight groupings. No failures to feed no failures to fire in 2600 rnds. In fact I will go far as to say that it is arguably as good as my many AR's.
Would you offer any proof of your racially, opinionated bias?
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Hmmm you own a restricted t97 and yet some say there isn't any available to shoot when I said I had shot one.
Then I express my opinion of this firearm....I get slammed for being a newbie or I get slammed for not liking the gun or I get slammed because I said I had shot one...and I actually fired several rounds thru it.
So get off your high horses....., Just because I don't like the pea shooter doesn't mean you need to slam me or anyone else for it.....
Give me a 338, 300 or 7mm any day.........at least it's useful!!!!!!!!!!
Some seriously swelled heads here..geezuz
And you all wonder why I haven't posted much here LOL......

By the way, just because I am a newbie on THIS forum really means zippo!
 
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