And the M-16 must suck too, cause in Vietnam Soldier were trading up for Ak's... If I recall the M-16 had/has issues too.
Lets recap your misinformed statement. The M16 in its infancy had issues with the WRONG powder being used in ammo and misinformed CONSCRIPT soldiers not cleaning them. Check your history before spouting it.
Poor Ergonomics?
Maybe yes, maybe no? I can say however when I fired my friend's RFB that the balance was amazing. I could picture myself hitting a standard 200 yard target from the standing position all day long, which is something I cannot say for any of the other rifles I've shot.
Bullpups have limitations just like most other rifles, but I'm sure that any CGNr who gets one will also have more conventional guns to fall back on should they so desire!
Balance isn't everything, and I agree that bullpups generally balance quite nicely. However, they fail to provide other ESSENTIAL options that have been available on other designs for decades. Namely lefty friendly and adjustable LOP, as well as user friendly ergonomics/manual of arms. The ability to fall back on another rifle is not a reality in the middle of a match or a gunfight.
Let's recap... Fixed LOP, yes ... Poor ergonomics, not left-hand friendly, limited rail space, chamber beside face, no real benefit ... Seriously?!!
It's really too bad no one like the Israelis, Brazilians, Indians, Thai (etc.) have adopted the Tavor. And it had such potential...
I can see all sorts of high speed units are running bullpups
Last I checked, the British and Aussie SAS run an AR in some form or another even though their standard issues are bullpups. Most if not all US/Canadian SF run conventional rifles. I think the Russians and other East Bloc nations run a conventional designs as well. Can you tell me what top level unit runs a bullpup by CHOICE not issue? A nation selecting a firearm has more to do with politics and price point than practical use.
The RFB has adjustable LOP. You can buy spacers to lengthen it. It is also fully ambi. But it's not a military rifle so it can't be any good.
My DTA also has adjustable LOP.
Let's all just agree that TDC hates bullpups and he will never see anything positive in the design and move on. Thanks for coming out but we've all heard your bullpup rant way too many times to care anymore.
The bold part tells me you have no idea how to run a rifle for defensive/practical use. The majority of stocks are too long not too short. If you aren't square to the target you're doing it wrong. At least as far as defensive/offensive work is concerned. Blading or canting your body to the target is great if you shoot from a stationary position and have the time to establish such a stance. However, such a stance leaves you with limited options for movement and is far from ideal from cover. Not to mention recoil management is poor as is a transition if such an action is something you understand.
You haven't missed much, any mention of the word bullpup and he swoops in to try to save us from the evil rifle design that is going to explode in your face. And I also hear it isn't ambidextrous and doesn't have an adjustable length of pull so it is a sh!t design.
Chew on this TDC,
AR with A2 stock, ambi? No. Adjustable lop? No. Bolt reciprocates right under your cheek and the chamber is only inches from you face, don't think your gonna have a good day with any rifle that decides to grenade while your shooting.
Sure am glad I shoot right and don't worry myself with a one in a million chance of the sky falling.
TDC in the future when you see a post about the terrible bullpup just move on down the list and let us kill ourselves with our bullpups, I own 2 and I know of 2 more that are going to be added to
my collection regardless of your tired opinion of them. We've all heard you. Thank you for sharing your opinion. What number are you on the waiting list for your new pup?
You're right, an A2 stock isn't adjustable, which is why they're a dead horse being phased out entirely. If you run an A2 receiver with the shell deflector the rifle is indeed ambidextrous. The selector isn't ideal for lefties but it can be run with the left thumb if kept on the left side. The bolt reciprocates under your cheek, that's ok. The chamber is nowhere near my face unlike a bullpup. I would prefer if none of my rifles detonate while I'm near them, but I will take any distance between me and the chamber I can get and the winner goes to anything not bullpup. The bold in your post sums it up nicely. You have a collection, so practicality in a firearm is not important to you. Carry on with your collection.
As for others. Can someone please address the issues I've outlined.
Fixed LOP
Non ambi function
Limited rail estate for optics/lights/lasers/sling mounts/hand positioning
Horrible mechanical offset
Garbage triggers, thanks to mechanical linkage
Lack of ergonomics (reloads and malfunctions)
The so called "advantage" of a compact rifle is over played. Anything you can do with a bullpup indoors, you can do with a 14.5/11" AR. Even a 16" AR is far from difficult to swing indoors. The negatives of a bullpup are far outweighed by the one slim advantage that isn't the mainstay of use. For the civilian there is no advantage as confined spaces shoots are very few and far between.
TDC
