Uclulet FN removes chief and bans him from hunting privileges

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It was the FN Ban that put up the $25,000! Reword and the FN band prosecuted as well
I have to wonder why bother trying to work with non-natives wen you think of us as uneducated
As for the blame game and playing the victim re read all this thread and think about it
 
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I would Brutus but I have a small phone and on a greyhound bus heading for a job in Prince Rupert you ever try posting sumthing on a bus in the dark
I'm not going to just sit back and let sum of you guys get away with FN bashing
I hope this thread get looked up soon nothing good is going to come from this
 
I headed down south to go turkey hunting on the opening I'm thinking I shood have shot a bunch be for the opening now
Beffor I got this job I was also planing a bear hunting after The 15th I shood have went out befor the opening but Your making your message lo varry clear if your FN thers no pont in working with non-natives

I am sorry ratherbefishing I know you had good intentions with this post
 
I headed down south to go turkey hunting on the opening I'm thinking I shood have shot a bunch befor the opening now
Beffor I got this job I was also planing a bear hunting after The 15th I shood have went out befor the opening but Your making your message lo varry clear if your FN thers no pont in working with non-natives

I am sorry ratherbefishing I know you had good intentions with this post
 
There are too many abuses of the system,and one of the worst is perpetuated by FN Chiefs and councils against their own people with allocation of tax payer funds and housing.All too often the chief of even small bands draws down big bucks and the rest live in poverty and I could cite many examples of this.But this can only be corrected from within by positive role models and responsable leadership , and my hope is the band members who are becoming more educated instead of moving on will return to their own bands and demand and institute long overdue reforms.Its happening,but slowly...I have had far more positive interactions with FN than negative ,but as always, the negative is what makes news...what everybody on all sides needs to realize is the FN aren't going away any time soon and neither are the white guys ....generally speaking respect is reciprocated and leads to communication and communication leads to understanding.I posted this thread as what I see as an example of positive change and FN taking charge.Hopefuly it will spread,nothing good can come of it if it doesn't.

Speaking of 'abusing the system' did anybody notice the law firm that was ordered to pay back over $800,000 excess fees charged to negotiate an FN-Federal agreement?...I knew a government negotiator who could tell you plenty of stories about THAT.Sometimes I wonder if the FN who are abusing the system learned their lessons well..
 
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I know are band chief makes $40,000 a year in Masset and no he's not driving a new truck
Council only make sumthing like 15,000 if I remember right

We tend to most part get a long with are Neighbors
We have lots of poaching by non-natives on Haida Gwaii thy buy one tag and shoot 10 or 15 of them and we have no problem with it and we don't start screaming to string them up
I grew up working on commercial fish boats and have bin in many fish wars including fighting for the A-B line no one wins in a fish war conservation is thrown out the Window
We keep this up we will be heading for a game war and No one will win that fight
 
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I am well aware many band and council members are working for their members and not getting rich off of it...as always these people don't make the news,it's the few who are taking advantage of the system that are .Accountability and transparency can only benefit the FN people themselves, and I think the more education the rank and file FN get,the less likely they are to be exploited and taken advantage of.Change IS coming ,my hunting partner is a surgeon and had two FN interns under him graduate as doctors and both of them(women) went to remote areas where their services were needed the most.Now we need lawyers and accountants, game biologists and conservation officers...as someone on the east coast said about arguing over the cod allocation-if we can't agree ,pretty soon there WILL be no cod fishery and they were right....there isn't .We have to get over this 'us against them' attitude,on BOTH sides and work together for viable ,enforceable solutions.EVERYBODY has to be at the table,or our grandchildren won't be hunting moose,deer or elk...just like if you want to eat bison that once roamed the plains in the millions,today you buy 'farmed' bison...or shoot domestic bison gone feral
 
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I agree with the sentence handed down in cases wear everyone is working on conservation .
But wen I have to read sumone tell us to quit paying the victim etc. etc. of course I'm going to say sum-thing thers no way in hell I would let that slide
I try to limit my hunting time to wen its best to harvest and the same with amount i go after one moose and a bunch of small deer well not so much on Haida Gwaii deer
Between Me and my 3 stepbrothers we get two or three moose for the Entire Famly To share each fall (we have big famly )we don't shot cows or big Bulls the od time we mite get a caf how is this abuse
Go travel around the villages in Hazalton to Burns Lake no one shoot cows or kill more then thay needits its a lot of work wen you do your own butchering
This is our decision and not the Province ,Feds or CGN
Talk with us we would listen , preach or lecture us we ignore you ,insult or try to rule over us we will defend Ourselves
 
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Until the FN folks do more to punish those that flaunt their native status, they will get little respect from me.... I have been witness to natives spearing pickerel during the breeding season while the "white" population has no access to fishing.... I have bared witness to same FN selling said pickerel at $10 a pound in their unregulated stores on the local res....

This is not sustenance hunting or fishing.... this is about making a profit..... which they do in spades and do not get taxed on...... any FN that denies this happens is burying their heads in the sand......
 
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I agree with the sentence handed down in cases wear everyone is working on conservation .
But wen I have to read sumone tell us to quit paying the victim etc. etc. of course I'm going to say sum-thing thers no way in hell I would let that slide
I try to limit my hunting time to wen its best to harvest and the same with amount i go after one moose and a bunch of small deer well not so much on Haida Gwaii deer
Between Me and my 3 stepbrothers we get two or three moose for the Entire Famly To share each fall (we have big famly )we don't shot cows or big Bulls the od time we mite get a caf how is this abuse
Go travel around the villages in Hazalton to Burns Lake no one shoot cows or kill more then thay needits its a lot of work wen you do your own butchering
This is our decision and not the Province ,Feds or CGN
Talk with us we would listen , preach or lecture us we ignore you ,insult or try to rule over us we will defend Ourselves
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Fair enough,
It's nice to hear that the species are being respected by you and it sounds like you hunt for sustenance.

You say you and your stepbrothers head out each year and harvest 2 or three moose, as well as deer and I assume maybe Elk or bear over the years as well. I can imagine with a large family that a decent amount of meat is required, fair enough.

With that said, I have a legitimate question: Why you?

I have a big family that would like a decent share of Moose or Elk each year but I'm stuck behind an LEH system that could very well overlook me in my lifetime.
There's a good chance I may be older than you, my family has only been in this country 110 years........... But I may have been here first in comparison to you.

So why you?
 
GMC403 said:
Fair enough,
It's nice to hear that the species are being respected by you and it sounds like you hunt for sustenance.

You say you and your stepbrothers head out each year and harvest 2 or three moose, as well as deer and I assume maybe Elk or bear over the years as well. I can imagine with a large family that a decent amount of meat is required, fair enough.

With that said, I have a legitimate question: Why you?

I have a big family that would like a decent share of Moose or Elk each year but I'm stuck behind an LEH system that could very well overlook me in my lifetime.
There's a good chance I may be older than you, my family has only been in this country 110 years........... But I may have been here first in comparison to you.

So why you?
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you can harvest a moose wear we hunt is Not restricted to LEH thers a General season you have buy a tag and hunt during the opening we don't buy tags but we do hunt during the opening season
I have yet to go elk hunting its one of those thing I realy want to do this year .
In fact the last 4 years I bin working and paying taxes during the hunting season and mist out
I could have Hunted in Alberta on my way home but the timing is out spring is not the time to hunt anything other then bear Turkey and beaver .

My ancestors fought and defended Our land we defended it from the Russians and the Americans and was never defeated and it was never sold the English became trading partners
we wear a larg nashion of proud people Before BC was name it was know a the Indian Territory
Canada was not able to take us Through War so they used disease and the Church as a weapon
Today we are still under attack now it's through legislation and propaganda
You wear once the new comers and now thes other new comers heading to canada would you just sit back and let them take over
 
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carverk said:
You wear once the new comers and now thes other new comers heading to canada would you just sit back and let them take over
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Thanks for the reply. The areas available to me (at present) are LEH or heavily restricted for Elk / Moose.

They already are,
There's is nothing to stop that from happening because "us" and the "newcomers" are all treated as equals in this country from a status outlook. Even though now I can hardly afford to live in the town that I was born, and I have no idea how my children will own homes here. My family has defended this country from foreign enemies as well.

What if People immigrating or being born to immigrants after 2016 in Canada had a completely different set of rights and rules than people that were here prior to that. Some of them would have family that were here prior to 2016, so are they then exempt? And their future generation should be exempt too?

I still fail to understand how in this day and age a double standard for citizenship and rights is relevant or even economically viable.
 
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Early on when the first settlers came over I could See some of the point of all the our land your land thing. At this point though we have 5 generations of children born on this soil, to say that it is not their land at this point is simply racist in of itself, the FN never bought the land from anyone and simply claim ownership due to their presence on it, is 5 generations of presence on the land enough ? if not then how many will do?? As far as traditional hunting goes every race has a similar claim , the one that is actually new on the scene to firearms would be the FN where as Europeans have been practicing traditional hunting with guns for quite a bit longer.
 
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piss up a rope-we pay taxes too
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Tell me how that's working out for you?

The Navajo Nation pay taxes too. The have their own locally hired police force, eleven district courts with their own judges and fourteen health centers all situated within their own territory.

That's because some one with ambition stood up and got some education for the betterment of themselves and their own community.
 
There are many examples of FN getting educated and moving forward,and hopefully this will continue,for their own sakes as well as everybody else.The solutions have to come from their own ranks, and their own people and throwing more money at it never works.
Personally my own experiance has been far more positive than negative.Years ago an old guy told me 'you do a favour for an Indian and you got a freind for life,they'll give you the shirt off their back'
 
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