Ukraine's New Anti-Drone Shotgun: Tested

dmazay said:
Nets of any kind are staples for both sides. Our volunteer group just delivered 60 tons of fish net from GB to Ukraine last month.
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This^^. KISS principle. I've read battlefield reports from both Ukraine/Israel that some FPV drones are still getting through. IDF Merkava IV tanks headed into Gaza usually have decent, well made, steel cages on top. Will stop drones/RPGs which are the main Hamas weapons. Their Trophy APS system takes care of ATGMs/RPGs/Rockets, etc.. Newest Barak 5 model is apparently able to down drones. All Western tanks are learning from Israel/Ukraine wars. Newest Abrams tanks have Trophy APS. Newest Bradley IFVs now have Israeli Iron Fist system. Future German Leopard A8s will also have Trophy APS. Tanks aren't obsolete. Constant battle of new offensive/defensive counter measures. Drones have changed warfare immensely.

Advances in tech are very fast paced. DEW/new EW weapons will probably render drones obsolete. 10$ a shot DEWS are a lot cheaper than missiles/cannons. Almost ready for the battlefield, all you need is a good source of electricity. I read in recent issue of the War Zone (4-5 2024) that newer Russian EW is rendering expensive US munitions useless/off course. That includes new GLSDB/HIMARS/JDAMs/Excalibur 155mm rds., etc., that rely on GPS for guidance to targets. New Russian EW tech is bypassing sanctions by using cheap RF "Spoof Jammers" to defeat these munitions. Newer US munitions use multi-mode seeker heads, aren't affected by this. Mostly new, long-range munitions the US is reluctant to give to Ukraine/possible loss of tech to Russians. Unlike UK Foreign Sec. Cameron saying it's ok to use long-range Brit. weapons on Russian ground. Putin threatens to launch strikes at UK targets in response. Insane.

F-16s are expected to arrive in Ukraine this year. Will be able to guide JDAM bombs that Russian fighters can't guide.
 
Thorsbear said:
Would an underslung shotgun attached to their M4 have more value? Main rifle would be heavier but more men would be armed with one. I guess there would be less capacity as well but damn I wouldnt want to have a platoon reliant on the one guy with the 12 gauge

What a revolution in war is happening in real time. Aircraft carriers and other capital ships may only have limited time before obsolescence
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Not going to happen anytime soon. They said the same thing about tanks. They're still around, still being produced/used by almost all modern nations. Irreplaceable in combat. Anti-drone tech is advancing every day. DEW/EW will probably render them obsolete. They said (still say) carriers/capital ships will soon be obsolete. Not gonna happen in my lifetime. USN/USA use them for power projection and will for decades more. USA isn't stupid. Spending ~13 Billion USD each on ten new Ford-class carriers to replace aging Nimitz-class. Even China wants carriers to project power, copy the USN. Russia's lone Kuznetzov carrier is a joke, needs a tug escort anytime it leaves port. Still undecided whether to dump more Rubles into her or just scrap the pos. The major and minor Navies around the world are still building warships as fast as they can be made. Navies aren't going anywhere.
 
What is needed are antidrone drones. Then the drones can fight other drones and leave humans out of it.

As to the gun in the OP, throw in a little mud, sand and dust as in a real combat situation and you'd perhaps have as good a throwing weapon as a firearm, but for sure I'd equip every soldier using one with a few extra charging handles.
 
What a piece of junk. Parts flying off, failure to eject failure to load you get what you pay for. Pass on buying this flaky Turkish boom stick. FAIL. Cry once buy a Benelli M4 and it will eat anything you stuff into it. Just my humble opinion.
 
Ukraine isn't getting Benellis unless the U.S. and other Western militaries donate their inventory.
 
Ptigris762 said:
Why stupid? Fully loaded RPK is over 13 lbs. For anti-drone ops I'd take that USAS-12 over the RPK/AK if I saw a small drone about to drop ordnance on me, other troops. AKs don't have much success against small drones. One per unit, just like a GPMG. I'd trust 20 rds. of full auto 12 ga 00 Buck more than an AK. or just a 5-8 shot pump shotgun. YMMV.
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A PKM is much more useful than a shotgun. Something like a USAS probably seems cool because of the semi/full action and high capacity. I can tell you from experience that gun isn't exactly reliable (extremely ammo sensitive, even across buck/slugs). You could address the reliability by recommending the AA-12 but I would still hate to have to carry or worry about one in addition to my regular kit. I have seen everything from grandad's old single shot to seemingly high-end hunting/trap guns being used. Plain pump 500s and 870s are also being brought over but I don't know much beyond that. No need to overthink IMO. The FPV drones offer little time for more than a shot or two, if even one, judging by the video out there.
 
The only thing I would trust in this situation is a Benelli M4, extremely reliable, semi automatic for quick follow up shots, great magazine capacity, and super easy to aim and blast flying objects (its my go to skeet destroyer, feels like cheating using it)
 
I'd save weight and go with a 1301T. Just my opinion based on anecdotes and video but it seems like aside from the instances where the drone operators are taunting their prey a double barrel would probably be as useful as anything else.
 
B said:
A PKM is much more useful than a shotgun. Something like a USAS probably seems cool because of the semi/full action and high capacity. I can tell you from experience that gun isn't exactly reliable (extremely ammo sensitive, even across buck/slugs). You could address the reliability by recommending the AA-12 but I would still hate to have to carry or worry about one in addition to my regular kit. I have seen everything from grandad's old single shot to seemingly high-end hunting/trap guns being used. Plain pump 500s and 870s are also being brought over but I don't know much beyond that. No need to overthink IMO. The FPV drones offer little time for more than a shot or two, if even one, judging by the video out there.
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I hear you. Didn't know about USAS-12 ammo sensitivity. Totally forgot about the AA-12. FPV drones are nasty.
 
Garand Thumb interviewing 2 mercenaries fighting for Ukraine describing war with drones.

Soldiers are using Mossberg 500s and pretty much any shotgun they can find
 
What's the best overall affordable round for this role?

I would guess 2.75" 27 pellet #4 buck, for decent pattern density and impact at range and still useful in an anti personnel role if necessary.

50 pellet tungsten T shot would probably be optimal but is expensive and probably production limited besides.
 
This video was published yesterday.
The left bank of the Dniepr river. Ukraine.
Ukrainian FPV drones are trying to stop and destroy a speed boat with a small tactical group of russians (7 bodies).
From 2:00 to 2:10 - the first drone was shot by a shotgun.

 
It looks like you'd be lucky to get more than two shots off by the time you see those drones, IF you see them...
 
870P said:
What's the best overall affordable round for this role? I would guess 2.75" 27 pellet #4 buck, for decent pattern density and impact at range and still useful in an anti personnel role if necessary. 50 pellet tungsten T shot would probably be optimal but is expensive and probably production limited besides.
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I'd go with #2 or BB.
 
870P said:
What's the best overall affordable round for this role?

I would guess 2.75" 27 pellet #4 buck, for decent pattern density and impact at range and still useful in an anti personnel role if necessary.

50 pellet tungsten T shot would probably be optimal but is expensive and probably production limited besides.
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^^^ Idk what's going on there, but I don't think it's a shotgun? If it were, why not bring some barrel back into that ridiculous-stock-?
 
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