Ultimanium actions
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https://www.ultimatumprecision.com ??
Yes also curious, haven't handled one myself wonder how they compare to Surgeon?
Yes also curious, haven't handled one myself wonder how they compare to Surgeon?
Had the opportunity to play with one today.
Nice machining work, but holy hell, that bolt lift is ridiculous. Super heavy, and gritty. I'd be mean enough to describe it as a savage full of sand with an overly hot case stuck in the chamber...
I'm all about supporting Canadian companies, but no way in hell would I trade my surgeon for one.
Nice machining work, but holy hell, that bolt lift is ridiculous. Super heavy, and gritty. I'd be mean enough to describe it as a savage full of sand with an overly hot case stuck in the chamber...
I'm all about supporting Canadian companies, but no way in hell would I trade my surgeon for one.
Didn't strike me as a flattering review. He mentions the heavy bolt lift, the fact that it doesn't clear an ar style chassis, single feeding from an ai ax, etc. And the displayed accuracy was "meh".
As long as the action is "true", and the action is square to the true axis of the bore - then one action won't really be much more accurate than another. All things equal (same barrel, caliber, chambered by same gunsmith, etc), a trued Remington will shoot just as accurate as a trued surgeon.
But if I'm way off base then let me know. I always enjoy learning new things.
The guys at altimatum are working hard to lighten the lift up. After a little brake in my lift was around 14lb. Still to heavy. As for the not feeding out of a AI AX is probably because of the seating depth of the mag. It notes in the instructions that this may have to be adjusted. This is very common with "700" foot print actions.
I have only done some brake in and steel practice so I do not have groups to post yet. I am waiting on the changes before staring load testing.
I know for a fact that barrels and Chamber jobs have way more impact in the way a gun shoots then the action. I could also be a crappy shooter/poor conditions. I have shoot many savages actions and kick the crap out of people with custom action. All my savages shot under 1/3 of a min all day long.
With these guys being new to the game let's give them a little time to fix this problem of bolt lift etc. They have responded quickly and professionally to all my recommendation.
Ryan
I have only done some brake in and steel practice so I do not have groups to post yet. I am waiting on the changes before staring load testing.
I know for a fact that barrels and Chamber jobs have way more impact in the way a gun shoots then the action. I could also be a crappy shooter/poor conditions. I have shoot many savages actions and kick the crap out of people with custom action. All my savages shot under 1/3 of a min all day long.
With these guys being new to the game let's give them a little time to fix this problem of bolt lift etc. They have responded quickly and professionally to all my recommendation.
Ryan
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The action stiffness, how true the raceway or areas the lug mates up to.
Most custom actions, and quality precision guns have smaller ejection openings, as opposed to Remington or savage, this is to aid in how the action moves during recoil.
The action, bolt, barrel, recoil lug, and stock are all equally important.
The action stiffness, how true the raceway or areas the lug mates up to.
Most custom actions, and quality precision guns have smaller ejection openings, as opposed to Remington or savage, this is to aid in how the action moves during recoil.
The action, bolt, barrel, recoil lug, and stock are all equally important.
Interesting...have you run into any data to back up this opinion?
I can see your argument but the question is about the relative materiality (in terms of accuracy) of any of the factors mentioned. I love workmanship and smoothness of custom actions but in my experience I have not seen any night-and-day evidence that says that custom actions are more accurate than trued Remington or Savage actions running equivalent barrels.
In competition, I can see most running a custom action to eliminate the chance that they might be at a disadvantage but this isn't empirical data. Without the data, it's all opinion.
I am only passing on what I have been told buy gunsmiths, manufacturers, and
Why else would every high performance precision rifle all have the same feature? That is a small ejection opening.
Look at the:
Sako TRG
Ssg3000
Cadex
Pgw
Surgeon
Defiant
Stiller
Etc.
Perhaps if the gun is in a vice and it was shot in a vacuum, you would see perhaps a hundredth of an MOA of difference.
However, in a practical sense a shooter will never realize that difference (if there is any). There is too much shooter dependent input on the rifle to see a hundredth of a difference in an MOA, even the slightest variation in trigger pull will make a bigger difference.
There are many reasons to get any of these manufacturers actions, besides any perceived differences in accuracy.
