Ultimate do everything but not over do anything cartridge for all big game hunting

CreamySmooth said:
Sorry. Thought I'd just mention and correct this common mistake as its a stupid pet peeve of mine.

In no way is a moose harder to kill than an elk. Elk are BY FAR the toughest land mammal in North America. Moose are relatively soft and weak by comparison, even the big ones. Grizzly and polar bear hide doesn't even get close to approaching the toughness of elk hide. After shooting more than a dozen of each, elk have always proven to me to be the tougher, more determined to survive animal.

In any case, nothing more than a .308 or .30-06 is needed for anything in NA. :shotgun:
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I would have to agree with this. The .308 and the .30-06 are more than adequate for anything around these parts and can be shot very competently by most folks - male or female. Moving up to one of the .300 mags gets you a little more of a good thing, but require a little more proficiency to shoot well. I use a .338 RUM for just about everything. Terrible overkill, but I bought it for long range elk. Something about a 225 grain accubond at 3150 fps. that makes hitting in the next area code a little easier. Truth be known though, I am packing a 7600 in .30-06 this moose season.
 
todbartell said:
at 200m they were hitting about 2" apart, only shot four rounds (two 2 shot "groups"). I was very happy with that

I haven't gotten to know my 303 well enough yet to find out how a variety of loads shoot. 180gr Sierra's did 2" 5 shot @ 100m in the only time Ive tried them, with RL17

no on game results on the tsx yet besides the grouse, maybe this month if I get lucky and can find a 2pt bull moose
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yes, I'd be happy with that as well. I suppose I'll now have to get a couple of boxes of those and start some load development when I get some time...
 
todbartell said:
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Weird to see a modern TSX stuffed into a 303British. Great combo for sure, but, certainly different to look at.

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My two cents, FWIW...

For all but seriously dangerous game of the African variety, I'd have to go with the .300 Win Mag.

Lots of ammo to select from, widely available, including Africa, available in just about any rifle one can think of, and does what a 30.06 will do just better enough to make it worth the extra recoil.

Not that any 30.06 wouldn't do the trick in just about any similar circumstance.

Including dangerous game, the venerable .375 H&H (or perhaps the .375 Ruger?) would be the ideal. Frankly, I can't kill it with this puppy, I don't want to be hunting the damn thing in the first place! Again, widely available ammo with selection, lots of different rifles to choose from, and...from what I read, and judging by the one round off a bench I've experienced...recoil that's at least reasonably tolerable. Sorta. (I don't even want to think about what a .458 Lott kicks like!)

Lastly, for a caliber just about anyone can shoot, and that is still capable of taking N. American game, save for griz (safely), I'd suggest a the .260 Rem/7mm-08/.270 Win., any one of which is a safe bet...with the nod going to the .270 Win if a wee bit of extra recoil isn't a deal breaker.

And all that said...

My next rifle, if there is one in my future, almost certainly will be in .270 WSM.

:)

BTW...

The latest edition of "Rifle" is dedicated exclusively to .30 calibers, including the 30.30 and some really interesting history regarding the .303 Brit in Africa. Lots of great reads by a great cast of writers!!!
 
smellie said:
If you know how to SHOOT and you know how to HANDLOAD, this entire thread may be rendered completely redundant with three short words:

THREE

OH

THREE.

Bullet selection right now (jacketed) ranges from 86 through 215 grains.

You can add to this when you start casting.

Powder selection is wide enough that you can load for anything from gopher to grizzly.

With a 150, it duplicates the original performance of the WON-DER-FUL .30-'06.

What's not to like?

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Where are you getting 215gn bullets? I'd love to have some.
 
rookie wildcat said:
Where are you getting 215gn bullets? I'd love to have some.
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Woodleigh (Australia) makes them, and Trade Ex Canada Inc (see link in banner ad above) imports Woodleigh bullets. I don't know if they have any 215g .303British in stock, but if not they'll be able to get them if you are buying enough to make it worth their while. If you tell them I'll buy some, too, to help persuade them, you won't be lying. I just haven't gotten around to asking because I still have some CIL 215g KKSPs lying around.
 
Camp Cook said:
Now you've got me curious as to what it isn't in the running for because I can't think of an animal including grizzly in N America that I wouldn't shoot/kill with it...

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Well here's your title.

Ultimate do everything but not over do anything cartridge for all big game hunting

All means all, and includes animals that could use a grizzly for a tampon.:D I like a high speed relatively light bullet more than most people, even those significantly faster than your .270 Roy. For most of what I do, most of the time it would be a real contender (No STW mind you, but OK).:p
Change it around a bit to different hunting circumstances. When the range is more likely to be 30 feet than 300 yards or more, velocity really isn't your freind anymore. When the animal in question can potentially kill you, and there are multiple countries that aren't going to legally let you use anything smaller than a .375 anyway, the .375 starts looking pretty good.
Not that a .375 is a big gun, but it will do until a big gun comes along. Actually, it will do until a small gun comes along too. For an ultimate one gun for everything there really isn't much that comes close.
 
Dogleg said:
Well here's your title.

Ultimate do everything but not over do anything cartridge for all big game hunting

All means all, and includes animals that could use a grizzly for a tampon.:D I like a high speed relatively light bullet more than most people, even those significantly faster than your .270 Roy. For most of what I do, most of the time it would be a real contender (No STW mind you, but OK).:p
Change it around a bit to different hunting circumstances. When the range is more likely to be 30 feet than 300 yards or more, velocity really isn't your freind anymore. When the animal in question can potentially kill you, and there are multiple countries that aren't going to legally let you use anything smaller than a .375 anyway, the .375 starts looking pretty good.
Not that a .375 is a big gun, but it will do until a big gun comes along. Actually, it will do until a small gun comes along too. For an ultimate one gun for everything there really isn't much that comes close.
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I'm assuming that you do not know that my main hunting rifles are my 26" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM & my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM...

:p
 
Camp Cook said:
I'm assuming that you do not know that my main hunting rifles are my 26" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 300RUM & my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM...

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I'm not assumeing anything, and I know from previous posts that you have bigger guns. I still don't think that the .270 of any stripe is the ultimate do everything gun. The 375 RUM might well be, and it doesn't need qualifiers, exceptions or limiters.
 
375RUM + 260gr Accubond @ 3020fps + 9 lbs rifle = 48 ft lbs free recoil

30-06 + 180gr anything @ 2750fps + 9 lbs rifle = 18 ft lbs free recoil
 
I have had absolute newbies shoot 1.5" groups off the bench with my BRNO 600 30-06 with a 3x9 variable. The recoil can be managed by most people yet with 180 gr ammo it can handle everything in NA if you keep the range reasonable.
 
I like the 6.5x55 .Been used used for damned near everything on earth from mice to moose and polar bears in Scandinavia.............Very user friendly along with the immortal 9.3x62 and lowly .308 Win.........dead is dead...................it amuses me to see people hunting moose with guns suitable for cape buffalo........I like Jack O'Conner's quoting of an Indian guide ,on gun caliber selection ......"any gun good gun if you shoot straight" ..........Harold
 
mbogo3 said:
I like the 6.5x55 .Been used used for damned near everything on earth from mice to moose and polar bears in Scandinavia.............Very user friendly along with the immortal 9.3x62 and lowly .308 Win.........dead is dead...................it amuses me to see people hunting moose with guns suitable for cape buffalo........I like Jack O'Conner's quoting of an Indian guide ,on gun caliber selection ......"any gun good gun if you shoot straight" ..........Harold
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Here in BC one is well advised to carry a cartridge capable of stopping a grizzly charge just a few years ago a fellow was attacked when still in the hospital a reporter asked if he was going to quit hunting he said "No going to get a bigger gun"...

After seeing again the performance/hole of a 140gr TSX @ 3300fps muzzle velocity I wouldn't hesitate to face a grizzly charge with the 270 Wby but my prefered rifle/cartridge combo for my capabilities is my 21" barreled 375RUM with 300 - 350gr premium bullets when in grizzly country I can also reach out to 500 yards when I load my 260gr Accubonds.
 
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