I am trying to understand ..... but I only have question marks ...
So what are "New Fudds"? I just googled "New Fudds" and nothing came up .... :-(
Anybody have a definition for a "New Fudd"?
Ultra short barrels, do they have a use ?
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I am trying to understand ..... but I only have question marks ...
So what are "New Fudds"? I just googled "New Fudds" and nothing came up .... :-(
Anybody have a definition for a "New Fudd"?
Lol, I was meaning that they are my own terms, not something you will Google with any success.
A "Classic Fudd" is someone who likes and gravitates towards more old-fashioned stuff like leverguns, single-action revolvers, traditional muzzleloaders, single-shots, walnut/blued guns, etc. It does not suggest that the person has any negative feelings towards other shooters with different tastes. I think of myself generally as a Classic Fudd...but still own plenty of stainless/synthetic guns, still enjoy pistol-grip shotguns and still buy milsurp ammo by the crate. I like what I like, and I am happy to watch you buying and enjoying what you like, even if I don't personally want those items.
A "New Fudd" can't abide anybody who doesn't enjoy/own/use the same kind of firearms that he does. A New Fudd is happy to stand by and watch shooters of semi-autos have their guns banned...because he doesn't think he is directly affected. A New Fudd doesn't want suppressors, short-barreled shotguns, semi-autos, bullpups, handguns...and doesn't want you to have them either, because, well...why do you "need" that stuff to hunt ducks?
New Fudds are the reason why the term "Fudd" has become an insult nowadays.
"Meet the new Fudd, same as the old Fudd...."
Fudd is a self centered state of mind typically found in individuals that have suffered from degradation or complete loss of Neuroplasticity.
It is treatable, but just like many conditions, the first strep is admitting their is a problem.
Fudd is a self centered state of mind typically found in individuals that have suffered from degradation or complete loss of Neuroplasticity.
It is treatable, but just like many conditions, the first strep is admitting their is a problem.
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Fudd is never about your preferences for classic traditional styles over more modern guns, so I wouldn’t call you a fudd off of your idea of what you call yourself. Your New fudd is a prime example off what a fudd will always be.
That may be correct today, I won't argue that. Language changes over time as usage changes.
I've been an avid shooter since the late 1960's; the term "Fudd" then did not have the negative connotations that it does today.
Thats because the liberal's gun bans hadn't gotten so far as they have today to expose the fuddery
Its fine to be a fudd when you just appreciated the simple things in shooting and hunting, nothing wrong with being a purest (antiques, black powder, ect.) but the term took on negative when bans came in and the fudds said "ah well, you dont need that anyways"
Deciding what others 'need' is a slippery slope
Before my time, what did it mean in the late 60's and how was it used? Clearly Elmer Fudd was not the brightest hunter in the bush, I find it hard to imagine a time when being called a Fudd was not at least mildly derogative.
The key to all of this negative connotation stuff and "triggering" is to be confident in your decisions and tastes, not force them on others and then ignore the nonsense.
It meant what I said earlier; basically an old-fashioned shooter with old-fashioned tastes. Not related to intelligence, but rather to preferences...and certainly not in any way suggesting that the person in question was dictating to others what they should think or do. Perhaps a little self-deprecating, as the term was often used to reference oneself and one's like-minded colleagues.
The negative connotations began long before the bans were brought in; increasingly restrictive legislation, dating back to before the original FAC was instituted, affected some groups of shooters more than others. The affected parties were incensed and outraged that not all of their shooting brethren were doing much to help them out, and they started to twist the meaning of this word as an identifier of the culprits. I don't doubt that the majority of the shooters who went along with and encouraged restrictions and bans ("you don't need that anyways") were likely Fudds...but that doesn't mean that all, or even most, Fudds were actively engaged in sabotaging their fellow shooters. So, naturally, Fudds who were painted with that broad brush got a bit defensive...and the gap continues to widen.
Just the other day I had an interesting exchange with a young shooter who patiently explained to me what exactly a Fudd was, and why it was important that I be aware of all the subtle problems that I was creating. He suggested that I was one of those evil Fudds because I made a comment about my general disdain for AR-pattern rifles. When I pointed out that I had owned and shot those rifles for longer than he had been drawing breath on the planet, he seemed a little confused. When I mentioned that for much of my ownership of AR's they were actually non-restricted firearms, he was in disbelief. When I detailed using them for hunting, he seemed to get more comfortable, "knowing" that as an evil Fudd I was only concerned about hunting. And when I pointed out that inviting himself onto my deck and drinking my beer was not the best venue for him to tell me about all the problems I was creating for shooters, he actually apologized.
His father, an old friend of mine from way back, was present at the time of this exchange. When Junior looked at his father for support, the old Fudd just shrugged and said "So there!"
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Our club welcomes all. No restrictions on barrel lengths etc. We are friendly and help out with pointers and some safety practices expected of ALL at the range and guess what? 99.9% never return or become regular shooters. They show up all excited to try out their new purchases and usually w/o any idea of the workings of the range and usually of their gun. We lend them hearing and vision protection, vests or shell bags so they don't have to fumble around with pockets full of shotshells AND after getting beat up by their gun after a box of ammo, if they go onto a second or third box they usually sit back afterward surprised what a beating they took shooting light target loads and rather than buy something a little better suited to the game they just don't bother returning. I've come to the conclusion either you like the game enough to invest a little into it or you don't. I've been shooting at one club or another continuously for 45 of my 59 years and this is just my observations based on what I've seen. In the past ten years of the probably 200+ I've seen come out to shoot with little shorties and tactical style guns only 4 have become regular shooters and they ditched those guns in favour of something more suitable. I guess my original estimate was a bit off as that is about a 2% return rate.
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Oops...my mistake. I must have missed the part where ever single firearm must be well-suited for beginners to begin their shooting careers with.
Should a compete tyro be handed a 14-inch shockwave-gripped 12-gauge and told to have fun? No.
Should a seasoned shooter, with considerable experience covering a broad range of firearm types, who simply has fun using that same gun...be told that he is mistaken, that he only imagines that it's fun? No.
Is a big fireball at dusk...or a big goofy grin while shooting clays...or a dead tom turkey memorably taken with a 14-inch O/U...sufficient reason for some of us to own and use these guns? Absolutely!
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Agreed and well said, this thread keeps reminding me that I need to pull this out of the safe and scrub some grouse this fall with it again. It’s always fun to use a gun that most people dismiss as a novelty in a practical way.
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Sadly, our return rate is about as low with people that show up for skeet with tactical shotguns. For some reason , once they get beaten up with a tactical shotgun, instead of trying a more suitable shotgun, they decide that they just don't like skeet, and never return. In most cases, even when offered another shotgun to try by another member, most are too stubborn to accept the offer.
but you guys are trying.
it is with the kids but you do not start with heavy load and light shotgun lol ... i started to shoot at 5 or 6 years old with air rifle at the range then moved on with different categories all along my shooting life.
we had an activity all across communauties during spring for all kids in school and they gave everything to shoot our 22s. that program was great up to the time teachers that came from ontario and bc and telling how the rules will be for shooting needless to say that the volunteers we were did not continue that program. but we re far from 12 ga shooting.
Same experience at our club before they banned stubby shotties. The owners got shoulder hurt by the gun and seriously butt hurt when they didn't hit targets. The few that did come back came back with more suitable guns.
I tried one of those Kel Tec double pump gun thingys once at our range - interesting for sure, but not something I would go out and buy! LOL
Station 7 was fun, but then, that station is not a good indication of the "usefulness" of a shotgun.
For home defense maybe? it was an ungainly sucker from what I remember, swung like a club and cycled about the same.....
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Agreed and well said, this thread keeps reminding me that I need to pull this out of the safe and scrub some grouse this fall with it again. It’s always fun to use a gun that most people dismiss as a novelty in a practical way.
Miss my old grizzly, had the absorbing buffer tube in the stock made it a dream to shoot. At least it went to a good home via cgn.
I've seen more ppl come out with high end ou guns and do so badly in skeet that they never return than those using short barreled guns. At least the guys with the inappropriate guns have fun with them. Not sure what the guy with the $16000 Kolar does with his gun but he hasn't been back since his 0/50. He wasn't smiling when he was pulling the trigger either
To each their own. I'm glad my club allows any legal non restricted shotguns to be used. Keeps it interesting and fun for all
To each their own. I'm glad my club allows any legal non restricted shotguns to be used. Keeps it interesting and fun for all
I have also seen that on occasion, a guy comes out, shoots a few rounds with a borrowed gun, and enjoys it , then shows up three weeks later with a tricked out Berreta DT11, and can't figure out why he is getting outshot by somebody with a field grade Wingmaster!
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I have always liked mine, it’s been a fun gun to shoot. I shot a lot of grouse with it that one year, not the most practical hunting shotgun l but I got plenty of those if I want practicality. If I can ever find a slug that will shoot acceptably out of my fully rifled barrel I’ll use it for some spring bear hunting for shíts and giggles.
