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I had never really looked at their pistol section, that wheelock actually looks like a pretty decent piece, the lock and working parts look decent enough in the pictures anyways.
UPDATE: From the horses mouth on indian made muskets *VIDEO/PICS ON PAGE 10*
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I had never really looked at their pistol section, that wheelock actually looks like a pretty decent piece, the lock and working parts look decent enough in the pictures anyways.
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oh no... now I want one of these...
I wonder if you can order them without the touch hole drilled. That would be a sweet decoration piece but having to register it would be ridiculous.
I wonder if you can order them without the touch hole drilled. That would be a sweet decoration piece but having to register it would be ridiculous.
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Yeah they are indian made supplied by loyalist arms as well. Lol after you started talking about the wheelock I got tempted to look at all the pistols "bad idea", now I'v got an ich for this frenchy.
That's pretty reasonable I think, they have a fairly intricate lock mechanism no?. I have never handled a wheel lock before, but I always thought they looked cool.
See up until very recently I was a milsurp rifle, pump shotgun and antique revolver guy, now I'm becoming infatuated with military style muskets.
It's funny, just a few short years ago I thought they were just ugly and pathetic old relics.... how horrible I know.. but now I think they are beautiful.
Yeah and its $525 in kit form
That's pretty reasonable I think, they have a fairly intricate lock mechanism no?. I have never handled a wheel lock before, but I always thought they looked cool.
See up until very recently I was a milsurp rifle, pump shotgun and antique revolver guy, now I'm becoming infatuated with military style muskets.
It's funny, just a few short years ago I thought they were just ugly and pathetic old relics.... how horrible I know.. but now I think they are beautiful.
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the hard part with wheel locks is finding the right kind of iron pyrite to create the sparks. I found some in a rock shop in the states many years ago and bought a small package. When struck or scraped it gave off a fizzy sort of spark. More recently I have bought one or two pieces of pyrite at the annual rock and mineral show in Victoria but it was a very different sort of metal and does not seem to spark. I am under the impression that there are different valences of iron which leads to different forms of pyrite with different properties. The only person who has a working wheel lock (Taylor Sapergia) uses flint in his gun. I think the most practical solution might be to use the ferroceramium which is what gives off the sparks in cigarette lighters and those flint kits of a piece of file plus some black metallic material
cheers mooncoon
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I've seen a wheellock pistol that Taylor built some years back, he built it for a fellow around here (now deceased). Was an absolute work of art. I had the pleasure of firing it, have never forgotten!
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Very interesting guys, they sound like quite the accomplishments for the times and even now.
It never ceases to amaze me at what we were able to produce back then.
It never ceases to amaze me at what we were able to produce back then.
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Yes, really amazing stuff. Engineering and art rolled into one package.
As an aside I'm wondering if the one Taylor has now may be the same one that I fired - I believe after the owner? died it went back to Taylor...but I don't know (don't know Taylor either, met him in passing; just knew the owner of that wheellock he built).
Sorry Tyckockell18, not trying to hijack ya here
That Loyalist wheellock (to get back on track) does look VERY interesting
As an aside I'm wondering if the one Taylor has now may be the same one that I fired - I believe after the owner? died it went back to Taylor...but I don't know (don't know Taylor either, met him in passing; just knew the owner of that wheellock he built).
Sorry Tyckockell18, not trying to hijack ya here
That Loyalist wheellock (to get back on track) does look VERY interesting
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No worries at all!, this thread was started to educate the new comers on the affordable BP front stuffers, now it has merged into just plain musket talk
.That is fine by me because these guns are fricken cool.
Im happy to see as much interest as I do so far.
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No worries at all!, this thread was started to educate the new comers on the affordable BP front stuffers, now it has merged into just plain musket talk
That is fine by me because these guns are fricken cool.
Im happy to see as much interest as I do so far.
I agree, and that is what these really are about, getting people in the club!! Our numbers are down. We used to have a very large BP club here, now it's all but gone. We are trying to resurrect it, and an affordable offering for newcomers is welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
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That really is unfortunate, Im only 26 so Im pretty young and im gaining an interest in muskets but the fact that its dwindling is very unfortunate..
I figure its a mixture between price points and media - video games ect.
Unfortunately times are always changing so the tastes do too but its always a shame when people start forgetting about the good old things.
I feel sort of ashamed for putting off and bad mouthing these firearms for as long as I did.
I figure its a mixture between price points and media - video games ect.
Unfortunately times are always changing so the tastes do too but its always a shame when people start forgetting about the good old things.
I feel sort of ashamed for putting off and bad mouthing these firearms for as long as I did.
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We had some frontstuffers out with a full size cannon (belongs to someone else here) at our Rod & Gun open house last year and this year. The cannon draws them in, but once people are there many want to try out the muzzleloaders (all ages).
First question you often get of course, is "how much does it cost" and I do think the option of a low cost entry makes the start-up more attractive to folks.
It's a ton of fun to get into, try and get out on a trail walk and a rendezvous etc. If you have kids (or eventually get kids) an added bonus is, it isn't hard to get them into it, which takes the pressure off from the home front I otherwise get for spending days at the range...
You can also come up with some very neat reactive targets; bullet-splitting rigs; bent tubes to shoot through; lots of things that get people's attention & make it more attractive.
No shame in your bashing these old girls; it isn't uncommon. And I shoot IDPA, own a CZ-858 and have lots of other toys to play with as well. I just enjoy playing with these old-style units as much as anything else, plus I got started with them & going to the shoots at a very young age, so lots of good memories.
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that is the same one; the person he built it for was a bachelor and left his guns to Taylor. He and Taylor were friends as well as him being a customer of Taylor's
cheers mooncoon
quality control
A just had a talk with an old friend that used to work on the production line for a large European firearms company. His company, besides building for their own name, builds rifles for one of the biggest firearms names in the U.S. He also helped set up the same company's production line in Portugal.
He states that for production costs and quality control, 2 rifle barrels are proofed in a run of 100. The proofed barrels are not sold. This adds significantly to the price of a gun. The rest of the run (98) barrels are marked as proofed.
If you see a proof mark, then that specific barrel was not proofed but that 2 barrels in that particular run were.
He says that this proof testing regime is above the industry standard.
I asked about muzzle loaders. He said that if buying from a reputable dealer (with or without a touch hole) then proof it yourself. He didn't care where a muzzle loader was made - India, Italy, the U.S. or the far east, proof it yourself. His final comment was that "Technically, a proofed muzzle loader is the safest gun out there unless the shooter is an idiot and does something stupid such as smokeless powder, double loading or other suicidal moves. Like all other weapons out there engage your brain before you engage your weapon."
Anyway, a great talk even if long-distance calls to Europe are a little pricey.
Ted
A just had a talk with an old friend that used to work on the production line for a large European firearms company. His company, besides building for their own name, builds rifles for one of the biggest firearms names in the U.S. He also helped set up the same company's production line in Portugal.
He states that for production costs and quality control, 2 rifle barrels are proofed in a run of 100. The proofed barrels are not sold. This adds significantly to the price of a gun. The rest of the run (98) barrels are marked as proofed.
If you see a proof mark, then that specific barrel was not proofed but that 2 barrels in that particular run were.
He says that this proof testing regime is above the industry standard.
I asked about muzzle loaders. He said that if buying from a reputable dealer (with or without a touch hole) then proof it yourself. He didn't care where a muzzle loader was made - India, Italy, the U.S. or the far east, proof it yourself. His final comment was that "Technically, a proofed muzzle loader is the safest gun out there unless the shooter is an idiot and does something stupid such as smokeless powder, double loading or other suicidal moves. Like all other weapons out there engage your brain before you engage your weapon."
Anyway, a great talk even if long-distance calls to Europe are a little pricey.
Ted
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So there is alot of talk of proofing your own gun. Help a black powder noob understand the safest way to accomplish this please. Also, how do I mark my firearm to show that it has been proofed?
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Very simple,
Afix your arm to a solid surface, "tie it" make sure arm will not move about and possible get damaged, attach a lanyard to the trigger "lanyard is a strong string" make it long enough so you can stand at a comfortable distance.
load arm "a double standard powder charge with a single ball" or as I do it a standard service load and shoot it multiple times "standard load whats that you may ask... well thats easy - 75 cal = 75 grains ffg"
Stand at a comfortable distance and pull lanyard
Inspect arm.
I prefer to use a standard load and test the arm 5 times or so, then I clean and strip the arm and look for defects.
Afix your arm to a solid surface, "tie it" make sure arm will not move about and possible get damaged, attach a lanyard to the trigger "lanyard is a strong string" make it long enough so you can stand at a comfortable distance.
load arm "a double standard powder charge with a single ball" or as I do it a standard service load and shoot it multiple times "standard load whats that you may ask... well thats easy - 75 cal = 75 grains ffg"
Stand at a comfortable distance and pull lanyard
Inspect arm.
I prefer to use a standard load and test the arm 5 times or so, then I clean and strip the arm and look for defects.
I prefer to test a barrel detached fom the firearm. Secure the piece to suitable lumber, with a block to take the recoil. I fire electrically. One load is two powder charges, one ball/shot charge. Second is one powder charge, two ball/shot charges.
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Do you use a model rocket igniter or some such?? your process seems superior to mine albeit more labor intensive "taking the barrel off and electric ignition" though the benefits of doing it your way has obvious merits.
Cheers!
Cheers!
