UPDATE ! Old Winchester Model 1895 - VALUE and INFOS -

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Hi folks ! Just a quick update on my previous post, I'm trying to learn about winchesters since it's the first one I ever bought and I know only the basics for now. I recently made a post about a Winchester Model 1895 that I was going to pick up after only seeing a couple of pictures of it. I brought it home and I thought first it was chambered in 30 06 but was very surprised to see that it was actually chambered for 30-40 Krag (30 US). I also thought by the pictures that there was a barrel band attached to the front wood but I was very happy to see in the end that it was only a leather strap attached there to make a sling point. So the rifle is not badly hurt front what I can see now. An other good news is that it's dated 1898 ! Also in very good working order and solid as rock. The bore is bright and shiny.


Everything I thought It was actually was not... It only looks to be a nice 27 barrel sporting 95 with a desirable Lyman Peep sight but again, I only know little for now so that' s why i'm writing this post. I'm looking for an accurate value on this as well as interesting infos.


Here is a serie of new pictures that I hope will help telling what it's worth.

Thanks in advance.
















































PREVIOUS MESSAGE ! : Hi guys ! What would be the approximate value of a 1895 Winchester 30 06 rifle Sporter with an uncut barrel and barrel band still in place ?

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30 US should be 30-40 Krag.

As you say the rifle is from 1898 it makes no sense to me that it is chambered originally for the 30-03 (as in 1903), unless it sat in a parts bin for 7 years.

Nice rifle btw.
 
Buddy has the twin to this and his barrel he tells me is stamped 30-03.
I'm wondering if the 30US isn't in fact a 30-40 Krag?

Great rifle.

MIG25 pressed enter a millisecond ahead of me...............:redface:
 
Aside from the receiver site and a couple years newer, I have a rifle that's a match to yours in 30 US. . Commonly referred to as 30 US, 30 Gov't and eventually just called 30-40 Krag.

This was the first smokeless caliber used by the US Military in the Krag–Jorgensen type bolt action rifle manufactured at the Springfield Armory and used from 1894 to 1904. .
 
The 30-03 was the original design for the 30-06. I think it was designed to shoot 200 grain bullets, so likely has a ten inch twist.
It shoots any standard 30-06 cartridge and the proper designation is 30-03 In short, it is a good rifle for the 30-06 cartridge.
You're thinking of the 30 Krag cartridge, which also has a 30-40 designation.
 
Well - One would need to know if the gun functions well mechanically, and whether the gun is truly all original. How about 1200$, based upon satisfying the two previous assumptions....
 
Not a bad specimen with the more in depth pics. It is a 30/40 Krag calibre. Peep sight is period and made by Lyman. It has a Lyman no.6 double leaf folding rear sight which was a factory option at Winchester. The fold down rear sight would suggest that the rear peep may be factory installed as the Lyman no.6 was intended for use with rifles equipped with rear peep sights as well. Wood is unsanded and appears unmolested. The leather thingy on the forend can be removed as it isn't factory. Hopefully it didn't discolour the wood beneath it. It would be worth a letter from Cody if the serial number falls within the range for which factory records are available. Then you would know if the rear peep was ordered at the factory. Makes a considerable difference in value to a collector. As it sits I would think $1000 to $1200 as a value maybe $1500-$1800 if it letters as a factory ordered 95 with special sights. My 2 cents.
 
Well guys, I do get things right some times. I stated that a 30-03 was just the original designation for the 30-06 and they were the same cartridge. I went to a US gun forum and here is some of what I found.

The 30 03 round is merely the 30 06, but with the 220gr bullet. In 1906 it was changed to 150gr spitzer bullet, hence the name change. Personally, i would not shoot it either, unless with some severly reduced loads.

The article does say that you can fire a .30-06 in a .30-03.

Go buy some 220gr RN 30-06 ammo and have at it.
The only difference between the 2 cases is the 1 mm difference in neck length (30-03 is 7.62x64, 30-06 is 7.62x63).

Yep, I have one of those too and have shot lots of '06 rounds through it.
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There is no end of proof on the US sites that the 30-03 is indeed just another designation for the 30-06.

Bruce
 
H4831 said:
Well guys, I do get things right some times. I stated that a 30-03 was just the original designation for the 30-06 and they were the same cartridge. I went to a US gun forum and here is some of what I found.

The 30 03 round is merely the 30 06, but with the 220gr bullet. In 1906 it was changed to 150gr spitzer bullet, hence the name change. Personally, i would not shoot it either, unless with some severly reduced loads.

The article does say that you can fire a .30-06 in a .30-03.

Go buy some 220gr RN 30-06 ammo and have at it.
The only difference between the 2 cases is the 1 mm difference in neck length (30-03 is 7.62x64, 30-06 is 7.62x63).

Yep, I have one of those too and have shot lots of '06 rounds through it.
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There is no end of proof on the US sites that the 30-03 is indeed just another designation for the 30-06.

Bruce
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I thought they had to take a couple threads off the barrel when the existing 1903's were converted from 30-03 to 30-06.
 
MiG25 said:
I thought they had to take a couple threads off the barrel when the existing 1903's were converted from 30-03 to 30-06.
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they did
the 30-03 case length is about 0.070 inch longer than the 30-06, all of that I believe in the length of the neck. You can get a 30-06 into a 30-03 chamber and fire it without issue, but not the other way around. If you managed to close the bolt on a 30-03 in a 30-06 chamber you would be jamming the neck so tight that it probably wouldn't release the bullet. Ka-Boom!
 
it took me a few days to find a 30-03 round, but this is what I found
Hatchers Notebook has a bit to say about it as well.
using a 220 grain roundnose seated long in a 30-06 case would probably give you your best accuracy, it's a pretty long jump for a spitzer in a chamber and throat cut for a 30-03
the photos clearly show the longer neck of the 03 case
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