UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg

[Foxer]

i have had really no trouble with bears in the bush

And probably never will. Most don't. And every bear expert tends to agree that your best defensive tool in 99 percent of cases is your brain.

And there can be no doubt that if pistols were non restricted i'd have less interest in this gun (tho i might still buy one ) but.. they're not.

And yes - without a doubt if one were being charged by a bear and had the choice, a nice bear-appropriate-cartidge rifle would be what you want.

But the fact is, a proper rifle is a lot of weight to sling around with you. People tend to put them down because of that, and that kind of defeats the purpose. And we can't carry pistols. (well - most of us can't)

Im' sure there's an argument to be made for pepper spray and a rifle - use the spray if attacked and that gives you time to pick up your rifle and finish the job. But there's some issues with that as well.

As to the mare's leg - we'll see. If I can shoot it accurately with practice then i think it'd make a great gun for general woods use - either for bear defense or as a 'survival gun' to fetch a bit of food if you got lost or hurt and had to stay out for a few days, or just for having a little fun plinking while you're out exploring or camping and the like. It may even be suitable for hunting under the right circumstances.

If not - then i'll put a full stock on it and be happy but - either way it'll be a lot of fun to experiment with and to take out and shoot. I plan to try using a holster, i'll also likely play around with various single point options, just to see what works and what's fun.

I do know this - no bear in the world is going to enjoy getting whacked by a 240 grain bullet out of a 12 inch barrel. If it can be used accurately out to bear defense ranges, it should be a fine option for those who want something lighter and more compact than a regular rifle and cannot carry handguns.

 

[carverk]

Foxer Nothing wrong with having some fun!
Who knows some people will be excellent shots with the mares leg.
Myself I know I need a but stock I grew up with a rifle in my hands.
I do not like it when recreational hunters give you young guys a hard time over such silly stuff.
After all 22lr is all you really need in the Bush and anybody with any experience will tell you the same thing!
Bigger is not better short range and precise bullet placement is the key to success(I am not talking about those prairie boys I'm sure a flat shooting long-range rifle is handy there)Besides I am sure you will be shooting so much there will not be a bear within 5 miles of you LOL
that is probably the best bears defense going!

 

[Gatehouse]

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And where's your non restricted revolver? Ten times better? Ten times?!? Chopped down, no it's like that on purpose

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Considering a revolver is smaller, easier to carry, easier to shoot, easier to shoot with one hand, even more likely to be on your hip and "not get left behind" I'd say yeah, a revolver is superior. The only reason the Mares Leg has appeal (for bear defense purpose over a handgun) is because of the hassle of getting an ATC.

Saying over and over that a Mare’s Laig is too hard to shoot respectably because it doesn't have a full stock.... is right up there with saying a motorcycle is too hard to drive because it doesn't have a proper steering wheel.

Bottom line is that it's not as easy to shoot accurately as a rifle with a full stock. You dont' have to believe that, but it's the truth.

There is no way I would counsel a friend that this would be a good defensive firearm- unless they put a full butt stock on it.

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I definitely plan on taking a mares lag and putting on a full butt stock!
Hopefully the rifle is built strong and can handle the demands of a working rifle.
The converted mares leg to a carbine that is a serious Bush rifle anyone who works in extreme remote places knows the value of a lightweight carbine.

I agree with you. As I said, putting a full stock on it will make it much more effective.

For me handguns are impractical when you work in different provinces because you will have to get permission from each firearms officer in that province.

That and just the hassle of getting an ATC is a pain in the butt. I'd carry a revolver if there was no paperwork involved, but given our current situation, I'll take a carbine or shotgun.

`Shotguns are a camp rifle for shooting at night if you have to bear banger, rubber slug then all business after that.

A short shotgun loaded with Brenneke slugs is nice and compact and got heaps of power. Although I prefer my Trapper carbine.

This shotgun is 14" barrel and I have a "Youth" stock installed to further decrease the length

Trapper is sleeker and nicer to pack

As cool as a mare's leg is from a practical standpoint I'll stick with an ATC and a .454 Casul Super Redhawk from March to December and a smaller/lighter .357 magnum for the rest of the year.

That is what I would do if it wasn't for the ATC hassle. I suspect most of us here would prefer a revolver over the as-issued Mares Leg if there were no restrictions on carrying handguns.

But I still will like to try out a Mares Leg to hunt with. That woudl be fun...

 

[Ardent]

Well said Gate.

 

[carverk]

Im sure that Foxer will be having so much fun shooting his mares leg that the barrel will never get cold when he packs it along.
No bear will stand there and listen to all that noise probably a lot better than those stupid bear bells and whistles LOL

 

[Foxer]

Bottom line is that it's not as easy to shoot accurately as a rifle with a full stock. You dont' have to believe that, but it's the truth.

There is no way I would counsel a friend that this would be a good defensive firearm- unless they put a full butt stock on it.

You could make the same statement about a pistol tho - it's not as easy to shoot accurately as a rifle.

I don't know that that means all pistols are poor choices for defensive purposes.

That is what I would do if it wasn't for the ATC hassle. I suspect most of us here would prefer a revolver over the as-issued Mares Leg if there were no restrictions on carrying handguns.

I think you're right. Sadly tho, i think we're a few years out from getting wilderness carry att's for the average gun owner.

 

[Foxer]

Im sure that Foxer will be having so much fun shooting his mares leg that the barrel will never get cold when he packs it along.
No bear will stand there and listen to all that noise probably a lot better than those stupid bear bells and whistles LOL

Ha! I have little doubt In fact, if i could figure out how to make the thing belt fed...

 

[geologist]

You're right walking out of the Bush just to prove a point is stupid on my part.
There thousands of things that could have went wrong besides I could have just worked those five days and flew out in the helicopter.
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Only told the story to make a point that a lightweight carbine is worth its weight in gold!

Right on brother. When you're solo, something as common as a slip off a deadfall, miles from the nearest chopper pad or trail can mean the end if you have no radio/backup.

Stay safe and keep the noobies away from the back of the chopper, beware going uphill when leaving the machine and downhill when approaching it, keep your eye on that sling load till it's way the he!! gone or down on the deck and detached from the longline and try not to stand in the drill core basket while the longline is attached unless suddenly going for scary trips is something you like to do.

Oh yeah, and send us a video of newbie hooking up the longline in a rain or snowstorm for the first time. Make sure you get the look on his face! Then teach him how to ground the thing.

The top 2 are heavy and I keep them in camp, the lower 3 long guns are lighter and I can sometimes carry them in the field depending on the nature of the work and the terrain. The bottom two I can carry everyday in the field. Easy peasy.

 

[canuckgunny]

So a few people said this rifle would be better with a full stock. You can actually buy rifles like that, seriously, they actually sell them. But this is a thread for the Rossi Ranch Hand (a short barreled, short stocked rifle),so I said:

Saying over and over that a Mare’s Laig is too hard to shoot respectably because it doesn't have a full stock.... is right up there with saying a motorcycle is too hard to drive because it doesn't have a proper steering wheel.

So he said:

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Bottom line is that it's not as easy to shoot accurately as a rifle with a full stock. ....

There is no way I would counsel a friend that this would be a good defensive firearm- unless they put a full butt stock on it.....

I agree with you. As I said, putting a full stock on it will make it much more effective.....

So I say






Tell ya'll what... this is a thread where people are discussing purchasing and availability of the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle). And the use of the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle).... and even some discussion of holsters for the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle). And legalities and ammunition etc for the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle).
Not handguns, nor shotguns, nor carbines, nor long barreled rifles, target rifles, or dangerous game rifles, or a god damn .375 Ruger (with a full stock of course).
We know the Rossi Ranch Hand has a short stock. Yes that's more difficult to shoot than a full stock. Yes the Rossi Ranch Hand has a short barrel. Yes that might not produce velocities capable of reversing the spin of the earth. And we know there might be 'better' guns for various circumstances. There are bigger ones, and smaller ones, and more powerful ones, and semi automatic ones....


Anyways, as soon as I get mine I'm going to put a full stock on it. The guys on the interwebs said it would be way more awesomer that way. And I'm gonna put a full length bbl on that mother ****** and rechamber it to a proper manly cartridge in case of bears or zombies or whatever cuz a .44 slug out of a 12" bbl is for pussies anyways. Then I'm going to call Gecko 45 and train in some real-world scenarios for a couple weeks so I'm awesome enough to go out into the Bush, with the real men.

 

[Foxer]

Yes that might not produce velocities capable of reversing the spin of the earth.

Well... not with ONE shot maybe but if you shot it fast enough... (I'm just sayin'.. )

 

[Ardent]

That was rich in the fertilizer way 'gunny.

 

[driller212]

Lol this thread is getting hilarious!

It Has become a bush defense thread! Gotta love these threads kuz nobodies opinion aligns and every person thinks they are smarter and More badass than the next.

Gotta
Love it

 

[Foxer]

It Has become a bush defense thread!

Don't they all?

 

[canuckgunny]

Lol this thread is getting hilarious!

It Has become a bush defense thread! Gotta love these threads kuz nobodies opinion aligns and every person thinks they are smarter and More badass than the next.

Gotta
Love it

Bush defence, but only with full stocks!

Maybe we could mount a rail for lasers....

.... or razors.

 

[canuckgunny]

I just got off the phone with Rossi. We discussed everything people were griping about in this thread. Here's the new prototype. Full stock, and ready to tackle the Bush.

 

[canuckgunny]

Sorry, forgot one thing....

 

[Doc.Holliday]

I agree; you guys are turning this thread into woulda, coulda , shouda.
Don't know what your plannin for; but the most dangerous critter I've come across in the jungle; bush, desert and the urban centre is one who walks upright on 2 hind legs and is supposed to have the biggest most developed brain in the animal kingdom.
been my experience for what its worth that animals have come to regard man with such fear that they would rather flee than fight.
I own and shoot the Rossi mares leg. She's a fun weapon to play with. If you want to achieve any sense of accuracy you better not be cheap in purchasing and using ammo.
Practice a lot pards, and YOU CAN shoot a real handgun with more accuracy due to the natural hand and wrist position, especially in large calibers.
She's a fun weapon that has a lot of nostalgia for us wild west cowboy buffs but she's not my defensive weapon of choice.
And I understand your plight with handgun laws up there. Lo Siento.
Just buy it, enjoy it, and don't over analyze it, you'll just ruin yer fun
Doc

 

[canuckgunny]

...and YOU CAN shoot a real handgun with more accuracy due to the natural hand and wrist position, especially in large calibers......
Doc

 

[BabySeal]

What? No flashlight, laser or flash suppressor?

 

[Gatehouse]

This really shouldn't confuse anyone as much as this.

We are discussing the Ranch Hand

Part of discussing a firearm is on it's function, shootabilty and how a person may modify it.

Some people have mentioned using this gun as a defense weapon.

Discussion of a defense weapon should include suitability, positive and negative aspects. The discussion should also include how it compares to other tools that are used for similar purposes.

You may not like this type of discussion, but that is your problem

So a few people said this rifle would be better with a full stock. You can actually buy rifles like that, seriously, they actually sell them. But this is a thread for the Rossi Ranch Hand (a short barreled, short stocked rifle),so I said:



So he said:



So I say






Tell ya'll what... this is a thread where people are discussing purchasing and availability of the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle). And the use of the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle).... and even some discussion of holsters for the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle). And legalities and ammunition etc for the Rossi Ranch Hand(a short barreled, short stocked rifle).
Not handguns, nor shotguns, nor carbines, nor long barreled rifles, target rifles, or dangerous game rifles, or a god damn .375 Ruger (with a full stock of course).
We know the Rossi Ranch Hand has a short stock. Yes that's more difficult to shoot than a full stock. Yes the Rossi Ranch Hand has a short barrel. Yes that might not produce velocities capable of reversing the spin of the earth. And we know there might be 'better' guns for various circumstances. There are bigger ones, and smaller ones, and more powerful ones, and semi automatic ones....


Anyways, as soon as I get mine I'm going to put a full stock on it. The guys on the interwebs said it would be way more awesomer that way. And I'm gonna put a full length bbl on that mother ****** and rechamber it to a proper manly cartridge in case of bears or zombies or whatever cuz a .44 slug out of a 12" bbl is for pussies anyways. Then I'm going to call Gecko 45 and train in some real-world scenarios for a couple weeks so I'm awesome enough to go out into the Bush, with the real men.