Are you sure the problem lies in the sights, It may be like my outlaw I aim 2-3 feet low because the recoil is hard enough to control and with the short barrel it causes the barrel to jump before the shot leaves the barrel. I put it in a jig and it shot on par where the bead was pointed so the issue was all me.
UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg
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Edward Teach
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I tried shooting it off an rest and the error was pretty much the same.
From those of us still waiting.....thanks for all the feedback/updates guys.
Maybe overlooked a sight solution ?
Hey guys,
Instead if grinding away at the rear sight of our high-shooting Ranch Hands (I have a .44), why not just replace it with the Flat Top rear sight for Rossi round barrels from StevesGunz?
ht tp://store.stevesgunz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=37
It looks like the aperture could actually be completely Dremelled/drilled-out, and that might readily solve the elevation issues. Or am I missing something? Like it won't fit, or cannot be shipped to Canada?
Maybe Steve could be persuaded to produce a batch (with the lowered/removed aperture) specifically for the increasingly-popular Ranch Hand ... which most shooters will be probably planning to use (as a last resort tool) at the 10 - 20 meter range.
Hey guys,
Instead if grinding away at the rear sight of our high-shooting Ranch Hands (I have a .44), why not just replace it with the Flat Top rear sight for Rossi round barrels from StevesGunz?
ht tp://store.stevesgunz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=37
It looks like the aperture could actually be completely Dremelled/drilled-out, and that might readily solve the elevation issues. Or am I missing something? Like it won't fit, or cannot be shipped to Canada?
Maybe Steve could be persuaded to produce a batch (with the lowered/removed aperture) specifically for the increasingly-popular Ranch Hand ... which most shooters will be probably planning to use (as a last resort tool) at the 10 - 20 meter range.
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I bought a barrel sight from Skinner and have taken the aperture right off and put a dot of white sight paint on the rearward face of the sight body. I'm going to see how it shoots just lining up the bead over the mark.
http://www.skinnersights.com/barrel_mount_6.html
As it is, I will need a taller front sight to use the aperture.
This might be high enough...
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=980340&filter=17aug
http://www.skinnersights.com/barrel_mount_6.html
As it is, I will need a taller front sight to use the aperture.
This might be high enough...
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=980340&filter=17aug
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I'm getting out to shoot mine this week, just been too busy at work.
What we have to do here guys is figure out how high a sight we need on the front. There's a lot of sights out there and some are very tall, but the question is how high do we need for a minimum to make it work? Would .500 do it?
What we have to do here guys is figure out how high a sight we need on the front. There's a lot of sights out there and some are very tall, but the question is how high do we need for a minimum to make it work? Would .500 do it?
Won't that make it tougher on some of those holster designs y'all have in mind?
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No i don't think so. The holsters are designed to the gun, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Worst case a front ramp can be put on (easy for a gunsmith to drill and tap one). But i would think that you wouldn't need to go MUCH higher to get pretty close to poi close in.
Also - rossi does make a 'scout scope' rail specifically for their round barrel 92's, and that could be put on pretty easy as well. Then you're into all kinds of optics choices. But i'd rather stay as true to the original as possible.
I agree ...
Also - rossi does make a 'scout scope' rail specifically for their round barrel 92's, and that could be put on pretty easy as well. Then you're into all kinds of optics choices. But i'd rather stay as true to the original as possible.
I feel the same way, and want to keep everything as low and simple and low-tech as possible. I just removed the elevating wedge completely from the rear sight, and that's logically got to help a bit.
Maybe now just finish the job with one of that guy's file-down-to-the-proper-height front brass sights ... Rossi should have done all this tweaking before the gun got out the door.
Can those brass sights be shipped to Canada?
Also - rossi does make a 'scout scope' rail specifically for their round barrel 92's, and that could be put on pretty easy as well. Then you're into all kinds of optics choices. But i'd rather stay as true to the original as possible.
I feel the same way, and want to keep everything as low and simple and low-tech as possible. I just removed the elevating wedge completely from the rear sight, and that's logically got to help a bit.
Maybe now just finish the job with one of that guy's file-down-to-the-proper-height front brass sights ... Rossi should have done all this tweaking before the gun got out the door.
Can those brass sights be shipped to Canada?
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As i understand the laws, yes (but i am not an expert.)
Message to StevesGunz ...
I just sent this email to the "Contact" link at StevesGunz ... where they seem to know some good machinists ...
Hi guys,
Have you considered producing a small and very low rear sight for the Rossi Ranch Hand?
It's no secret that the firearm is a runaway success, but it's also no secret that Rossi seems to have slapped-on an out-of-the-parts-bin sighting-system that has the firearm shooting about nine inches high at 15 meters ... the logical distance for most folks who'll buy this rifle.
The Internet is buzzing with half-fast workarounds to solve the problem, but the solution is painfully simple. Leave the front sight alone (or replace with one of your similar height glow-dots) ... but toss the rear sight and replace it with a (made-by-Steve) dove-tail-based minimal notch that barely pokes its low ears above barrel. Regulate it to hit POA at 20 meters, and then (if you're so-inclined) sell another one for POA at ... whatever
Just a polite suggestion ...
With a "Please" attached
Or maybe ... here's an epiphany ... why not just remove both the front and rear sights (as Steve McQueen and Johnny Depp both would have done in similar circumstances) and "eye the villain" along the top of a naked barrel?
(With them gaping/ugly little dovetail slots conveniently plugged with available plugs.)
Sometimes (I think) we overthink stuff
Boomer
I just sent this email to the "Contact" link at StevesGunz ... where they seem to know some good machinists ...
Hi guys,
Have you considered producing a small and very low rear sight for the Rossi Ranch Hand?
It's no secret that the firearm is a runaway success, but it's also no secret that Rossi seems to have slapped-on an out-of-the-parts-bin sighting-system that has the firearm shooting about nine inches high at 15 meters ... the logical distance for most folks who'll buy this rifle.
The Internet is buzzing with half-fast workarounds to solve the problem, but the solution is painfully simple. Leave the front sight alone (or replace with one of your similar height glow-dots) ... but toss the rear sight and replace it with a (made-by-Steve) dove-tail-based minimal notch that barely pokes its low ears above barrel. Regulate it to hit POA at 20 meters, and then (if you're so-inclined) sell another one for POA at ... whatever
Just a polite suggestion ...
With a "Please" attached
Or maybe ... here's an epiphany ... why not just remove both the front and rear sights (as Steve McQueen and Johnny Depp both would have done in similar circumstances) and "eye the villain" along the top of a naked barrel?
(With them gaping/ugly little dovetail slots conveniently plugged with available plugs.)
Sometimes (I think) we overthink stuff
Boomer
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Considerably higher front post, that's for sure.
I still say (see two posts above this) that the simplest (and most aesthetic) solution is a RanchHand-specific low-as-technically-possible rear sight that fits into the current dovetail.
Custom CNC machined in batches of 250 ... because every Rossi Ranch Hand sold in North America needs to be retro-fitted with one.
Custom CNC machined in batches of 250 ... because every Rossi Ranch Hand sold in North America needs to be retro-fitted with one.
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Well i did a little math.
Based on the idea that it's hitting 12 inches high at 100 yards and we want it to be hitting closer to 0 at 100 yards, that would mean that the front sight would have to be .028 inches higher.
Doing a little rough measuring it seems the current sight is about .425 inches from the bottom of the dovetail to the top of the sight. maybe a hair under that on mine.
That would suggest that a sight of .453 or higher would give you a zero at 100 yards if the elevation ramp were removed.
That would seem to suggest to me that a .50 sight should resolve most of this problem on the ranchhands.
of course i don't know the exact velocity of the bullets, but using some educated guessing if you are 0 at 100 that should put you about an inch high at 25 yards, a hair over 2 inches at 50, and dead bang on at 100 (assuming something like 1350 for a muzzle velocity). And that's at .453. Going to a .50 front blade should allow you to drop it even more so you were hitting low at 100.
I'm not sure what the size of the front sight dovetail is, but I'll call rossi and find out and then i think it's just a matter of finding the right front sight at about .50.
Based on the idea that it's hitting 12 inches high at 100 yards and we want it to be hitting closer to 0 at 100 yards, that would mean that the front sight would have to be .028 inches higher.
Doing a little rough measuring it seems the current sight is about .425 inches from the bottom of the dovetail to the top of the sight. maybe a hair under that on mine.
That would suggest that a sight of .453 or higher would give you a zero at 100 yards if the elevation ramp were removed.
That would seem to suggest to me that a .50 sight should resolve most of this problem on the ranchhands.
of course i don't know the exact velocity of the bullets, but using some educated guessing if you are 0 at 100 that should put you about an inch high at 25 yards, a hair over 2 inches at 50, and dead bang on at 100 (assuming something like 1350 for a muzzle velocity). And that's at .453. Going to a .50 front blade should allow you to drop it even more so you were hitting low at 100.
I'm not sure what the size of the front sight dovetail is, but I'll call rossi and find out and then i think it's just a matter of finding the right front sight at about .50.
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Well if he has a .50 fibre then i'm thinking that's the ticket. It should be high enough to make the original sight work with a little room to spare.
Maybe a bulk order is warrented
Trajectories and stuff ...
Sorry, but I suspect that there's not a whole lot "out there" that ties-in varying sight-heights (with such a short sight radius) and the trajectory of a 240 grain .44 Magnum slug. Maybe in a hunting-pistol forum ...
Maybe I'm wrong ... I haven't looked.
But I don't think it's a straightforward Math calculation. More likely a sophisticated computer program ... which I'm sure is readily available somewhere.
A 100 yard zero? Like I said, I'd be delighted for a 15 - 20 yard zero. And bearing in mind the rainbow-like trajectory-arc of the heavy bullet, the second zero (when its coming down) would be ... damned if I know
More or less than 100 yards? Experts please feel free to chime-in.
Sorry, but I suspect that there's not a whole lot "out there" that ties-in varying sight-heights (with such a short sight radius) and the trajectory of a 240 grain .44 Magnum slug. Maybe in a hunting-pistol forum ...
Maybe I'm wrong ... I haven't looked.
But I don't think it's a straightforward Math calculation. More likely a sophisticated computer program ... which I'm sure is readily available somewhere.
A 100 yard zero? Like I said, I'd be delighted for a 15 - 20 yard zero. And bearing in mind the rainbow-like trajectory-arc of the heavy bullet, the second zero (when its coming down) would be ... damned if I know
More or less than 100 yards? Experts please feel free to chime-in.
