US made Tavor price announced

IRUNGUNS said:
We have ordered all of them with a compliant barrel for Canada, we have been allocated stock, like everything else we are waiting for the trucks to come and they will be no where near 3000.00 a gun. You will pay the same as we sell them for in the US of course plus 25.00 to ship it to Canada and 100.00 to cover the importation.

We have some very exciting things planned for next year..... We are just getting started!!!


Warmest Regards,



IRUNGUNS
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Thanks for bringing prices down to reality!!
 
blaxsun said:
Seeing as how everyone's jumping on the bandwagon... can we do anything about a match barrel and trigger group?
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Why? To drive the price up yet again? Tavor's, as you know, aren't bench guns. What point is there to trick this thing out if it's not a precision rifle to begin with? The ergonomcs would be cumbersome at best for that role. Having said that, I don't own one nor have I ever shot one. What are your thoughts? Is the accuracy that poor to begin with on these? Is there a possibility that US made Tavors could be more accurate than the ones made in Israel due to better quality barrels and manufacturing processes? We won't know for sure until they're built, of course, but is it plausible?
 
Yawn.

For those rejoicing about the US made Tavor and it's super low cost, maybe be in for a slight disappointment. I had a 3 hour meeting with some executives at IWI, and this is what they told me.

First.

They don't believe the US price will be a $ 1999 retail. As that is pretty close to the US cost to manufacture. Any considering production hasn't even started yet, it's pretty early to get excited because a lot of things can change.

Second.

They are not IDF spec. These guns will be slightly cheaper, BUT would not be considered for Military use. I'm sure a lot of Gun Nutz would take pride in knowing that the only difference between their Tavor and the ones being used in combat by the IDF are a few inches in barrel length.

Things to consider.
 
I think thats important to keep in mind on this:

These guns don't exist yet. The US guys I know who have gone in on a group buy together as the "early adopters" think they might see their rifles in April. They look cool, but there's a lot still up in the air.

North Sylva, I know you get asked stuff like this all the time: any further possibility of an X95 or CTAR length barrels direct from Israel?
 
mmattockx said:
Fair point. Up here the NR classification is worth big $$$, but when AR's are treated the same as every other rifle they become the obvious choice for 90+% of black rifle users. Unless one has a massive hard on for a bullpup, there is little that a Tavor offers that the AR doesn't.


Mark
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If I were in the U.S. and really wanted a bullpup carbine, I'd probably go with an MSAR instead.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Why? To drive the price up yet again? Tavor's, as you know, aren't bench guns. What point is there to trick this thing out if it's not a precision rifle to begin with? The ergonomcs would be cumbersome at best for that role. Having said that, I don't own one nor have I ever shot one. What are your thoughts? Is the accuracy that poor to begin with on these? Is there a possibility that US made Tavors could be more accurate than the ones made in Israel due to better quality barrels and manufacturing processes? We won't know for sure until they're built, of course, but is it plausible?
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Range use and varminting. You won't notice any changes in handling and it will be more rewarding to shoot. The ergomics are excellent. It's not cumbersome at all.

The two biggest complaints are accuracy since todays AR rifles set the standard and heavy triggers. Again AR triggers set the standard. Both accurate barrels and match triggers are common AR upgrades. Unlike the military we don't need to make do with what we have even if there are better options out there.

Bottom line the easier and more accurate the rifle is to shoot the more rewarding it will be. That's really all it's about.

One comparison here. The S&W 5946 has a 12-14 pound (approximate) double action only trigger pull. Do you think any of the pistols I own have that? Not on your life. It sucks. The only good thing being able to shoot those makes you look really good when you get to shoot a pistol with a decent trigger.
 
DILLIGAF said:
I support the one with the lowest price. Thats all I care about...
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Hehe, well - at least you're honest.

2bad4u2 said:
Why? To drive the price up yet again? Tavor's, as you know, aren't bench guns. What point is there to trick this thing out if it's not a precision rifle to begin with? The ergonomcs would be cumbersome at best for that role. Having said that, I don't own one nor have I ever shot one. What are your thoughts? Is the accuracy that poor to begin with on these? Is there a possibility that US made Tavors could be more accurate than the ones made in Israel due to better quality barrels and manufacturing processes? We won't know for sure until they're built, of course, but is it plausible?
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I'm not really interested in "tricking" it out, but if an improved trigger or match barrel (or combination) got us down to 1.5-2MOA, it would be a significant improvement. As it now stands, it's probably a 2-3MOA gun. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but as Epoxy pointed out from a varmint standpoint that makes a big difference.

Yes, it's entirely possible that the US made Tavors could be more accurate. They could just as easily be less accurate as well. And we're all assuming that parts will be interchangeable, but some of the key components may not.

Epoxy7 said:
Bottom line the easier and more accurate the rifle is to shoot the more rewarding it will be. That's really all it's about.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. :D
 
North_Sylva said:
They don't believe the US price will be a $ 1999 retail. As that is pretty close to the US cost to manufacture. Any considering production hasn't even started yet, it's pretty early to get excited because a lot of things can change.

They are not IDF spec. These guns will be slightly cheaper, BUT would not be considered for Military use. I'm sure a lot of Gun Nutz would take pride in knowing that the only difference between their Tavor and the ones being used in combat by the IDF are a few inches in barrel length.
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Yes, some of us did try to introduce a cautionary note on price and ETA, but a lot of folks seem to be caught-up in the "$2000 Tavor" frenzy. I love my Israeli-made Tavors. I'm honestly not even that choked about the accuracy. If there was any chance of IWI introducing a lighter trigger group I'd be all over that in a heartbeat (hint, hint). ;)

As many people have said: good enough for the IDF, good enough for me. :D
 
North_Sylva said:
They are not IDF spec. These guns will be slightly cheaper, BUT would not be considered for Military use. I'm sure a lot of Gun Nutz would take pride in knowing that the only difference between their Tavor and the ones being used in combat by the IDF are a few inches in barrel length.
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Keep in mind that the primary purpose of building Tavors in the US is to supply the IDF and not civilians. US laws stipulate that the US military assistance funds for Israel must be spent buying US made equipment, hence the new Tavor factory in the US.

If the factory is geared for IDF-spec Tavors, then I highly doubt they will intentionally cripple the civilian version, considering the fact they have been selling an uncrippled civilian version for years. If they wanted to cripple the civilian version they would've done it years ago on the Israel-made Tavors.
 
iamzill said:
Keep in mind that the primary purpose of building Tavors in the US is to supply the IDF and not civilians. US laws stipulate that the US military assistance funds for Israel must be spent buying US made equipment, hence the new Tavor factory in the US.
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That's an interesting theory, but the primary purpose of manufacturing the majority of the Tavor in the US is to get around any restrictions on importing foreign-manufactured firearms (aka: HK, etc.) Someone else more familiar with the specifics can comment further.
 
North Sylva seems to be shaking in their boots, with Irunguns cutting out the middle man they are going to be able offer lower prices on so many products. Also apparently NS is talking to different IWI reps than the entire US gun industry is talking to.

I love Capitalism! Remember all those thread where dealers kept saying if you can do it for cheaper why dont you go ahead? Well Irunguns can do it better so I am gonna take the advice from all those dealers and go with them.
 
AlbertaGunslinger said:
North Sylva seems to be shaking in their boots, with Irunguns cutting out the middle man they are going to be able offer lower prices on so many products. Also apparently NS is talking to different IWI reps than the entire US gun industry is talking to.
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I love how confident everyone is... considering that a) not even a single rifle has been produced and b) there's not even an FRT application in-place for the Tavor SAR. Minor points, I know... but let's not let any real facts get in the way of hysteria! :rolleyes:
 
blaxsun said:
I love how confident everyone is... considering that a) not even a single rifle has been produced and b) there's not even an FRT application in-place for the Tavor SAR. Minor points, I know... but let's not let any real facts get in the way of hysteria! :rolleyes:
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I believe the general tone of the email was not only to make reference to the Tavor but also many other firearms.
 
BenL said:
I believe the general tone of the email was not only to make reference to the Tavor but also many other firearms.
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I suspect that's probably the case. But since this is a US Tavor thread, before everyone gets too excited and sets themselves up for a potential disappointment - let's see how long it takes to get it manufactured first and what the final retail price is going to be. This is also about the same time when the T97 is roughly expected to start landing in Canada as well.
 
We all like cheap firearms. Lets avoid turning everything into a contest between dealers. A lot of good people have done a lot of hard work to bring us a lot of great products for years. So before we demonize those guys think a little first. New venders always come along. In this case there have been some significant possibly game changing additions to the Canadian firearms community. Theres no reason to treat existing vendors like crap or pretend everything has been a gouge all along suddenly revealed.

If you feel strongly about something, talk with your wallet. The market will decide.
 
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