USGI M1 Carbines - Which one do you own?

I believe the M1 was designed to wound more so then to kill , since it took 3 men out of action ,the one who got shot and the 2 to carry him at least thats what i was told by 2 different Veterans , I am no expert on M1 although i had a few and i still have the step by step book on how to convert an M1 to an M2

not that #### again let me be clear : NO gun was ever desing to wound. :jerkit:

the M1 was desing to replace the 1911 for support troups that where to long to train with a pistol. it was so effective that it was pick-up by regular troops and then issue. Anyone that think that a tick coat will stop a 110gr slug at 2000fps need there head check.
 
Inland with original stock, reproduction para stock, engineers belt scabbard, manual U.S. Army...didn't want to ding it up so bought , i thought, a rockola commercial assemble to find out it may be a german import return due to rear sight braised on behind the hand guard!! Love shooting it, in a choate stock with forward scout mount with cheap eotech sight. First trip to local tactical carbine night brought approvals other members trying out!!
 
Rockola didn't make any commercial stuff after the war. The Germans however did get a ton of USGI carbines after the war to reequip their Polizei, and the brazed rear sight (a la european rifle) was common with many German police departments. Rockola was one of the manufacturers that is more sought after than all the other makers except for S'G' and IP.

Would like to see some pics if you have the capabilities, but either way you got yourself a good little rifle there!
 
"...ten major contractors..." Nine. None of which made all the parts. Over 1600 small shops all over the Eastern U.S. made carbine parts.
"...if wrong on any count..." Completely. Internet nonsense about frozen Korean War Chicom quilted jackets. Met a guy who was with 2PPCLI at Kap Y'ong who loved the carbine. Said he didn't care if it took two or 3 rounds to kill a Chicom troopie. Talk to the guys in your club. A carbine is something you really need to shoot to completely 'get'. Zero felt recoil. It's just one of those rifles. FN's and M1 Rifles are like that too.
"...All self loaders were susceptible to jamming..." Rubbish. Most jams are ammo or mag related. Nothing to do with the action type. Maintain 'em properly, feed 'em good ammo with little or no lubing in extreme cold and they just work.
"...Made by Howa in Japan..." Yep, but not for Korea or the U.S. JDF and Thailand contracts. Wikipedia is not a good source for info either. Anybody with Internet access can post there. Lots of Internet nonsense gets repeated there too.
"...budget cut outs on the guide rod..." The poorly stamped op rod wasn't a budget cut thing. Part of their idea of a design improvement that wasn't. Look for one or two return springs. One is ok. Two is bad. A toggle for the bolt hold open means the bad redesign too.
"...Basically an ER (Extended Range) M1 carbine..." Not even close. Even a 'Late Model' Universal junker will shoot circles around a standard Mini-14. Standard Mini-14's are over priced and inaccurate with any ammo.
"...Japanese made Howa M1 Carbine..." All Howa's are Japanese made. Very few in North America. Howa made isn't bad though. Weatherby Vanguards and some Brownings were made by them. Howa makes good rifles.
"...Mine is a Plainfield..." Ditto. The absolute best of the commercial carbines. Milsurp parts fit, but in 30 some years, I've never had any problem a good bath didn't fix. Mine likes Speer 110 grain HP's with IMR4227. BARK! Not a bang. Blows a hole the size of a grapefruit in a ground hog. Wouldn't think twice about using it on deer.
"...believe the M1 was designed to wound..." Nope. Absolutly nothing to do with it. Designed to be issued to troopies who would have been issued a 1911. Radops, arty types, etc. It's far easier to train a non-shooter to be good enough to defend himself with a rifle than it is a pistol. The idea of the U.S. being a nation of riflemen during W.W. II is a myth. BS of the highest order. Then, as now(cops included), most of 'em never saw a firearm of any kind out side of a movie.
"...have the step by step book on how to convert an M1 to an M2..." Don't even think about it. An M2 is an FA. Doesn't work without the right receiver and parts anyway.
"...rear sight braised on behind the hand guard..." Issue carbine with Mauser style sights that got issued to assorted German LEO and CO types after W.W. II. Commonly called a Bavarian carbine. The sight was changed, reportedly, because that's what they were used to. As if they were too stupid to be taught to use a peep.
"...at 2000fps..." 1800 to 1900 fps, for issue ball ammo(not great stuff anyway. It' s where the Korean War nonsense comes from), but you're right. No coat, frozen or otherwise, will stop even anemic ball ammo.
All that aside, if you have an issue carbine, of any make, including commercial carbines, it's restricted due to the barrel length. Has been since 1 Jan., 1978 for no apparent reason. Rumours, at the time, said it was because Montreal bikers/bikers in general, were cutting 'em down to conceal 'em under coats.
Iver Johnson made some 19" barrels, but not many, around 1979ish. Nobody makes one now. Muzzle breaks, et al don't count anymore either.
Anybody who owns or is interested in commercial carbines needs to go here and send Jim the info he asks for about your rifle. He's a very good guy, who has put together a great site. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/
 
mine's an early 'winchester', inherited from my grandfather just before it went on the restricted list.
at the ripe & knowledgable age of 18, i had the barrel replaced so i could hunt with it:eek:.
i still kick myself repeatedly for that but it does have an accurate shooting
20" barrel. (no, i never got the original back)
great little gun to shoot but grandpa shot far more deer than i ever had with it
 
Managed to find a IBM with rockola gas port and no name barrel..non-restricted at last Edmonton gun show..haven't shot it yet bur here's a quick pic...will add better Bavarian m1 pics later, didn't have have time before back on the job out of town..here's non-restricted
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and here's bavarian in choate stock and late model inland..
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early war Irwin pedersen all matching IP parts (stock is an inland as the ip stock was dry so im oiling it)

very early National postal meter all matching orig in the 1st 100 produced by them

Late war Inland all orig as new condition when i got it likely never issiued/used in combat as it was not refinished but yet had NO marks on it

another late war inland all matching well used but one of the nicest stocks ive seen on a carbine

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What's the story with German/Austrian carbines in Canada? Are they more rare? Less rare? Seem kind of neat.

us gave them to the german government after ww2

when they were done with them they were sold on the surplus market some made it to canada many to the usa
 
DocZoid,

I suspect the Bavarian M1 carbines were imported originally into Canada by Century Arms---International Firearms was the predecessor company located on Bluery Street in Montreal…same owners I believe.

I think that I remember that an employee of International Firearms was shot and killed back in the early FLQ days by militant separatists that entered the store looking for guns.
(Thank God those days are behind us.)

That might be "partly" the reason these guns became classified as they are today in Canada.
Compliments of Mr. Trudeau....I think. (January 1st 1978)
I guess he thought he was doing the right thing at that time?

Bank robbers …bikers…and the FLQ….a short carbine that was easily hidden…with substantial firepower.

I visited all of their locations many years ago.

The Bluery operation was a retail store--after that they moved to a facility on Ferrier Street in the Town of Mount Royal a suburb of Montreal as Century Arms…

Following that Century Arms eventually opened a new warehouse in St Laurent a suburb of Montreal which included a shooting range….. years later they opened a facility in St Albans Vermont when Canadian gun laws got tough on this industry.

After that...I have no idea.....perhaps Florida?

The Bavarian and Austrian marked guns that were imported into the U.S. were "mostly" import stamped, while this was not the case in Canada.

The U.S. import stampings were really quite ugly in "certain" instances.

Someone else may have more info.

How common or rare are these guns are in Canada…I have no idea.

David

The import/export story is better explained in this link.

http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/imports.html
 
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OK...The bottom carbine with the stock pouch...it looks to be a USMC issue pouch...no "US" marking, and a pointed flap rather then the rounded flap. If there would be a "US" mark on the flap it would be a "British Made" pouch.
Nice stuff...thanks for sharing!!!!!
 
pic time ok here are a random 4 from the front of a safe

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OK...The bottom carbine with the stock pouch...it looks to be a USMC issue pouch...no "US" marking, and a pointed flap rather then the rounded flap. If there would be a "US" mark on the flap it would be a "British Made" pouch.
Nice stuff...thanks for sharing!!!!!

that it is

USMC boyt 43
 
more then 8 in canada.....

Yup, I've got one. I've heard (no idea how accurate this is) that the machinery they were made on was US equipment supplied to Japan after WW2. Mine is Royal Thai Police marked - kind of neat, they only have 3 markings on them, the RTP mark, the Serial Number and Howa's proof mark under the barrel, I guess Japan didn't want to get involved in the border skirmishes that occurred between the RTP and various insurgent groups during the Viet Nam war.
 
Question... why would anyone wish to own a rifle incapable of taking out, I quote, "heavily clothed Vietnamese soldiers". The caliber from my understand was substandard, the rifle prone to jams and the gas system subjected to bad fouling. Please correct me if wrong on any count, I'm here to learn not challenge.

Thanks,
Drachenblut

The 30 Carbine round actually has similar energy (at appropriate ranges) to the 44 Mag. no one ever says the 44 Mag is 'substandard'. In modern terms the M1 Carbine was a PDW - in some ways it's still a long way ahead of some of the current PDW's being foisted on militaries everywhere (the MP-7 comes to mind).
 
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