USPSA shooter shooting IPSC in Canada.. Black badge needed?

VanMan said:
I've shot a few USPSA matches and seen them do their Safety Check for new shooters. It's only a ~20min run through by the RO of a new shooter and does not compare at all to the 2 day BB course.

Probably on a regional basis, there may be some exemptions granted for experienced shooters (ie if Ben Stoeger wanted to come up and shoot a local match), but there would be no way to set a Canadian national policy to identify what level of training and experience a USPSA shooter has, just because he has passed a USPSA Safety Check.

Here's a link to what the USPSA Safety Check involves h ttp://northwestsection.org/files/CPM_extract_safety_check.pdf
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Actually, only reason your safety check was 20 min with the RO because you are known IPSC shooter. I had to do a 1 on 1 course with a registered RO who just so happens to be Custer sportsmen's clubs president. Where they watched you draw, fire, move and fire, and actually run thru a course twice. Pretty sure I got more out of that than a BB course with 10 others.

they take the safety rules VERY seriously at USPSA, you screw up and you're being DQ'd and sent home.
 
bsand said:
Actually, only reason your safety check was 20 min with the RO because you are known IPSC shooter. I had to do a 1 on 1 course with a registered RO who just so happens to be Custer sportsmen's clubs president. Where they watched you draw, fire, move and fire, and actually run thru a course twice. Pretty sure I got more out of that than a BB course with 10 others.

they take the safety rules VERY seriously at USPSA, you screw up and you're being DQ'd and sent home.
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We are tougher here in Canada. After your DQ you stick around and join your work squad - been there, done that :)

Contact the BC Section Coordinator (http://www.ipscbc.com/index.php/about-ipsc/getting-started/7-information/5-contact-us) and talk him through the USPSA training and experience you have. Maybe you can work something out with him.
 
i've sent him an email earlier today, that he's read but has not responded to yet. We'll see what happens, not holding my breath. All I know is I'm not paying for a BB course, worst case I won't shoot in Canada.
 
euxx said:
...uspsa membership doesn't really mean much in Canada if you coming to shoot ipsc. IPSC membership is defined by your permanent residence within one of IPSC regions.
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I'm confused...because I thought that USA was an IPSC region, and that a USPSA member from the USA was also a member of IPSC. Are they not?
When an IPSC match is held in the USA, is a USPSA membership not sufficient to participate in it?
When an IPSC world match is held in the USA, is a USPSA membership not sufficient to participate in it?
Does a USPSA member need to join some other entity in order to be able to particpate in an 'International Practical Shooting Confederation' match?
 
bsand said:
i've sent him an email earlier today, that he's read but has not responded to yet.
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There's no need for an immediate response - especially during the holidays. Nothings' going on in BC anytime soon.

Here's the deal - if you live in another IPSC Region, you need to be a member there and have the regional director send a letter to this region confirming your abilities to safely compete before we'll let you shoot.
That's what we do with all the Europeans that come here, and what we do when we send people to other regions. It works very well.

The US is a bit "Special". Getting such a letter from their RD in the past has proven to be damn near impossible, so we have made exceptions for US IPSC members on a case-by-case basis.

If your last name is Leatham, Stoeger, Coley, Koons, Michel, Tilley, Jarret, Bragg, etc. - we already know you're good to go.
Others - we'll accept proof that you're an experienced shooter in lieu of the RD letter; Published USPSA class, results from L2 USPSA matches posted online, stuff like that.
In the end, though - this exception is done by the locals that you want to shoot with - so you need to sort it out with them - not here with a bunch of internet "experts".

Final thought - coming in with the attitude that you seem to have - isn't going to do anything to sort things out positively.
We've had lots of Americans (and in IPSC's eyes - you're an American) come here and shoot and have a great time, and we've had a great time with them.
All of them I remember - started out without a chip on their shoulder.
 
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1riot1ranger said:
Another thread devolves into "the Black Badge Course is Useless" territory...

Thanks, CGN - you never fail to deliver...
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For those referring to a BB course being useless, then the shooting sports are definitely not for you. KEEP IN MIND that all it takes is one accidental death or serious injury due to a reckless unsafe act, and this will put an end to IPSC, PPC, and 3 gun here in Canada, and not to mention what it will do to the government regulations of our shooting ranges. The liberals will have a field day!

bizman89 said:
Sad isn't it that there are some people that are just too stupid to see any value to a safety course. I shake my head every time I read their posts.
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^Exactly, Very true!^
 
abb1 said:
For those referring to a BB course being useless, then the shooting sports are definitely not for you. KEEP IN MIND that all it takes is one accidental death or serious injury due to a reckless unsafe act, and this will put an end to IPSC, PPC, and 3 gun here in Canada. The liberals will have a field day!
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That's true even with a bb course in place.... I suppose you're in favour of forcing 3 gunners to take the bb course? Right now there is no requirement outside of what a club requires
 
Onagoth said:
I suppose you're in favour of forcing 3 gunners to take the bb course?
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Absolutely, most 3-gunners are in fact IPSC shooters, so they have already taken their course, but for someone brand new, he/she should have a course in safety with reflection to the sport, either a BB or similar. It is true that accidents can happen even if safety courses have been taught, however, with documentation in place, it provides legal leverage. It also greatly reduces the risk of accidents ever occurring in the first place.
 
abb1 said:
Absolutely, most 3-gunners are in fact IPSC shooters, so they have already taken their course, but for someone brand new, he/she should have a course in safety with reflection to the sport, either a BB or similar.
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Wow, that's a pretty broad statement. Would you care to share your source for this "fact"?
 
abb1 said:
Absolutely, most 3-gunners are in fact IPSC shooters, so they have already taken their course, but for someone brand new, he/she should have a course in safety with reflection to the sport, either a BB or similar. It is true that accidents can happen even if safety courses have been taught, however, with documentation in place, it provides legal leverage. It also greatly reduces the risk of accidents ever occurring.
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What about for someone who isn't brand new? What about for someone who has been shooting competitively outside of IPSC for years


Out of curiosity...how much shooting do you do in Ontario....I've not shot in SK but I would imagine things operate quite a bit differently here
 
tomo333 said:
Wow, that's a pretty broad statement. Would you care to share your source for this "fact"?
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X2...I know at the OAS shotgun league this year many of the shooters were NOT IPSC shooters

I also know first hand that idpa has a large collection ion of shooters who have zero interest in IPSC, or have shot IPSC and will never go back. The idpa methodologycan be credited with getting more people into shooting sports since it is far more efficient and practical than the bb
 
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Onagoth said:
X2...I know at the OAS shotgun league this year many of the shooters were NOT IPSC shooters

I also know first hand that idpa has a large collection ion of shooters who have zero interest in IPSC, or have shot IPSC and will never go back. The idpa methodologycan be credited with getting more people into shooting sports since it is far more efficient and practical than the bb
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And them's the facts Jack!^
 
euxx said:
You didn't say anything in regards to your permanent residence. As Freedom Ventures said (aka IPSC Canada RD), you need to contact Section Coordinator to obtain permission to participate in Canadian IPSC matches.

We had number of americans shooting matches in Ontario. Generally it is usually done on a case by case basis.

PS: uspsa membership doesn't really mean much in Canada if you coming to shoot ipsc. IPSC membership is defined by your permanent residence within one of IPSC regions.
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Isn't the US one of the IPSC regions?
 
Freedom Ventures said:
There's no need for an immediate response - especially during the holidays. Nothings' going on in BC anytime soon.

Here's the deal - if you live in another IPSC Region, you need to be a member there and have the regional director send a letter to this region confirming your abilities to safely compete before we'll let you shoot.
That's what we do with all the Europeans that come here, and what we do when we send people to other regions. It works very well.

The US is a bit "Special". Getting such a letter from their RD in the past has proven to be damn near impossible, so we have made exceptions for US IPSC members on a case-by-case basis.

If your last name is Leatham, Stoeger, Coley, Koons, Michel, Tilley, Jarret, Bragg, etc. - we already know you're good to go.
Others - we'll accept proof that you're an experienced shooter in lieu of the RD letter; Published USPSA class, results from L2 USPSA matches posted online, stuff like that.
In the end, though - this exception is done by the locals that you want to shoot with - so you need to sort it out with them - not here with a bunch of internet "experts".

Final thought - coming in with the attitude that you seem to have - isn't going to do anything to sort things out positively.
We've had lots of Americans (and in IPSC's eyes - you're an American) come here and shoot and have a great time, and we've had a great time with them.
All of them I remember - started out without a chip on their shoulder.
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How is not wanting to pay for a course, "having a chip". I rather not spend 300$ + 2 days of my time when I can compete all I want all day long in USA. A bit further of a drive to marysville, but I can go none the less and have a match every other weekend...

Heard back, I am not going to shoot in Canada. No way am I paying for something that I can already do in USA with full capacity magazines at that.
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
There's no need for an immediate response - especially during the holidays. Nothings' going on in BC anytime soon.

Here's the deal - if you live in another IPSC Region, you need to be a member there and have the regional director send a letter to this region confirming your abilities to safely compete before we'll let you shoot.
That's what we do with all the Europeans that come here, and what we do when we send people to other regions. It works very well. So it's a Canadian policy rather than an IPSC rule?

The US is a bit "Special". Getting such a letter from their RD in the past has proven to be damn near impossible, so we have made exceptions for US IPSC members on a case-by-case basis. As a Canadian resident you can be a member of IPSC ### (insert your province), and a member of USPSA. As a US resident you can be a member of USPSA but NOT a member of IPSC Canada or any section within Canada, or any other region. You will be told that as a USPSA member you are a member of IPSC through your own region....as you stated here >>> "exceptions for US IPSC members"

If your last name is Leatham, Stoeger, Coley, Koons, Michel, Tilley, Jarret, Bragg, etc. - we already know you're good to go.
Others - we'll accept proof that you're an experienced shooter in lieu of the RD letter; Published USPSA class, results from L2 USPSA matches posted online, stuff like that.
In the end, though - this exception is done by the locals that you want to shoot with - so you need to sort it out with them - not here with a bunch of internet "experts". So this exception is a Sectional policy within Canada and not a Regional policy based on whether or not the locals have heard of your last name?

Final thought - coming in with the attitude that you seem to have - isn't going to do anything to sort things out positively.
We've had lots of Americans (and in IPSC's eyes - you're an American) come here and shoot and have a great time, and we've had a great time with them.
All of them I remember - started out without a chip on their shoulder.
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I fail to see an attitude or a chip on the OP's shoulder. He asked a question and a few experts threw out some made up facts about safety and the effectiveness of BB courses.
 
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