Valmet Hunter .223 & .243

[reckoner1]

I think he's the guy asking 5K for .223 Hunter.....good deal hey!

The exact same type of comment was made when the G36 was listed in the EE for 10K.

At least you acknowledged that it’s an “asking” price. What that means is that I believe it to be worth a certain amount and I’m open to discuss it with anyone who might be interested. If a potential buyer believes it’s worth less and wants to make me an offer, fair enough. The thread does not say the price is firm.

There aren’t a lot of Hunters around in .223. This one has the original birth certificate and manual. The birth certificate lists the gun as being 22 years old. Condition wise it’s basically brand new which is why it’s listed as “collector grade”. If it were a beater the price would be listed accordingly.

Take note of the .308 Hunter listed in the same thread. Price is $3,070.00, factor in the original Valmet rings, Leupold VX-II 4-12, shipping, insurance and a hardcase to ship and I’m certainly not far off HP75’s cost estimate of importing a similar rifle. However with this one you don’t have to wait 4 to 6 weeks.

 

[promac]

I firmly believe in a free market and that a person should pay whatever he wants to for a product.

I also firmly believe that anyone that pays $3K or more for that rifle has more money than brains...

Ouch!

By that logic, anyone that has a Valmet in .223 in very good to excellent condition who has not PM'd me to sell has more Valmet than brains? I'd buy Reckoner's Valmet in .223, but the thing is mint and I wouldn't want to shoot it - so whats the point. BTW, I think the Hunters are gorgeous rifles.

 

[zZ_denis]

I think the Hunters are gorgeous rifles.

I agree!
People who are saying that they are "stampted beaters" and "are not worth 3k" have never held or fired one. Besides, they will only go up in value. Based on what i see, the going price for Hunters and M78's goes up about $500-750 per year.

 

[Claven2]

FWIW, I just traded for a M78 in .308 and gave over 4K in trade value for it. I don't feel ripped off - it's UBER-nice and very cool. That said, it's an M78, not a Hunter model.

4K seems about the going rate for M78's now, though since few guys have 4K lying around for guns all the time, they take a few weeks in the EE to sell.

 

[promac]

I have yet to see a 243 Valmet in Canada, and I have only seen a few in the USA.

Here ya go!

I wonder if I have the only one?

 

[DANCESWITHEMPTIES]

I remember 10 to 15 years ago guys #####ing that $1200 to $1500 was too much, but they didn't stay on the rack for very long either... Springfield M1's still cost upwards of 2k & are still being built & compete with the cheaper 305's on this side of the border. Guys are still buying them. Want a non restricted AK on this side, guess what, there going for 3k +... No I don't own one & likely never will, but the price is the price. Now I do own an XCR & maybe it will be worth 3k some day! Let the flaming begin....

 

[promac]

Last I heard, the State Department was issuing export permits for Valmets. So as long as you can get an export permit, go figure:

Valmet Hunter in excellent condition - US$1,300 or CDN$1,625
Brokerage and taxes CDN$250
Questar import fee CDN$750
Shipping and handling - say $120

So you're looking at spending CDN$2,745

Add to that the risk of having the export permit denied 30% - CDN$488
Reasonable profit say 25% - CDN$687

You have a value between CDN$3,400 and CDN$3,900 - so there you go!

I told Reckoner1, I wouldn't have a problem with paying $3,000 for his NIB Valmet Hunter in .223. I still wouldn't!

 

[zZ_denis]

Here ya go!

I wonder if I have the only one?

Hmm... This rifle looks familiar

 

[can14]

Norinco made the same "hunter" models in 223 and 7.62x39. They came with 3 5rd mags and scope mounts that attached like a dragonov. They looked the same as the valmet hunter. They used the ak 223 and 7.62x39 mags.

 

[Savage]

Last I heard, the State Department was issuing export permits for Valmets. So as long as you can get an export permit, go figure:

Valmet Hunter in excellent condition - US$1,300 or CDN$1,625
Brokerage and taxes CDN$250
Questar import fee CDN$750
Shipping and handling - say $120

So you're looking at spending CDN$2,745

Add to that the risk of having the export permit denied 30% - CDN$488
Reasonable profit say 25% - CDN$687

You have a value between CDN$3,400 and CDN$3,900 - so there you go!

I told Reckoner1, I wouldn't have a problem with paying $3,000 for his NIB Valmet Hunter in .223. I still wouldn't!

US State Dept is not issuing export permits for the Valmets that is the last I heard from Questar in September

 

[hfp75]

If you have one keep it.... unless you have a European Exporter....

I do beleive that you MIGHT be able to get a Hunter exported still if you do it right....

Might is the key word there.....

I was gonna export one this fall and got told NO by US State.....

 

[promac]

The Vamet Hunter or M78 is the closest anyone outside the 12(x) club is going to get to owning a non-dewat Kalashnikov type rifle. In a free market, free of government control/restrictions, a Valmet is not worth $1,500 or more. But in Canada, it is what it is!

BTW, if anyone has a Valmet Hunter in .223, in excellent condition, that they'd be willing to part with in exchange for $3,000 cash, feel free to PM me. I've had that on the table since May 8, 2008 - still no takers! So what was that about the Vamet not being a $3,000 rifle?

 

[Airborn_69]

Probably because they want $5k+ for them.

 

[hfp75]

price

The Valmet Prices now will only go up....

Just try exporting one from the USA.....

What is in Canada is in Canada... I doubt anymore will make it.... it is not a Canadian law thing it is a US Export thing.

1 year ago there were a few in the EE for reasonable prices.... now that US State has canceled these exports - try finding one... the supply just changed and demand will slowly start rising.. that means the prices will go up...

Even if you could get one out of the USA - the processing fee of the US State for an export cert is now 750'ish - that alone will drive up valmet prices by a minimum of 750....

I will admit it is a novelty firearm....

 

[promac]

Ignoring the US Export thing, people in the US are buying guns like crazy, expecting a ban under Obama and wanting pre-ban status. So even if you could find one in the U.S., its still going to be pretty expensive once you consider the exchange, brokerage, taxes, and export and import fees.

Hey guys, thanks for the info and comments. Since SunDevil and anyone else are backed up for months on stripped lowers it may be a moot point. I was told at one gun shop that if the Clinton Ban is re-instituted that if you don't have your lower already you will not be able to get it. I don't know if that is true or not, guess I will have to wait and see.

I figured the hysteria after the election would die down and by now things would be back to normal but it has only intensified. My plan was to pay some medical bills this year and then look into purchasing the AR after the holidays. I went to the local Bass Pro Shop last week to also get an idea on what they were charging for a Glock 23 and a Kahr P380 for my wife. There were huge 4 0r 5 foot gaps in the display case where both shelves were empty. The guys there said they had been stripped, people wanted a pistol and didn't care what it was. Only one Glock in 357, no XD's, Kahr, Keltec, one Kimber, just empty except for a few S&W 38's and some cowboy pistols. Then I went to the ammunition section and another set of blank shelf space. They had no 40SW ammo in the store and said they would not have any for a while. I was told that people were coming in and buying MagPull AR clips by the case. Hope this craziness dies down soon.

However, rumour has it, that Bushmaster and RRA have stock of both complete and stripped lowers. IDK, perhaps thats why Dlask won't respond to any of my correspondence.