Value of a CC SA 20 , mixed parts build?
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As someone who will one day be buying a SA20, I would say anything that isn't all CC factory assembled and original with all the accessories included (that came with rifle when available new) would be worth less to a collector, but many who plan to use the rifle may not find it any less desirable; provided it's all factory CC SA20 parts.
As I do not believe the upper or any other parts for that matter come labeled (to maintain a match to each rifle) there would be no way in telling if say for example a buffer tube, rear sight or an upper were switched around since from one SA20 to another as only the lower is marked to indicate it's build i.e.. serial #.
CC products are built to be completely disassembled and then reassembled w/o having to match any parts what so ever and still perform flawlessly.
Saying that if anything was not factory SA20 CC parts then yes it wouldn't be a factory correct SA20 and should be noted and the buyer made aware before selling. Then at that point it should/would be worth less and be harder to sell at the same price as compared to a factory correct SA20.
Ultimately due to CC's design and build quality it shouldn't matter at all provided all parts are in fact derived from other factory SA20 rifles and it comes with all factory accessories or is priced less to reflect this.
Cheers D
As I do not believe the upper or any other parts for that matter come labeled (to maintain a match to each rifle) there would be no way in telling if say for example a buffer tube, rear sight or an upper were switched around since from one SA20 to another as only the lower is marked to indicate it's build i.e.. serial #.
CC products are built to be completely disassembled and then reassembled w/o having to match any parts what so ever and still perform flawlessly.
Saying that if anything was not factory SA20 CC parts then yes it wouldn't be a factory correct SA20 and should be noted and the buyer made aware before selling. Then at that point it should/would be worth less and be harder to sell at the same price as compared to a factory correct SA20.
Ultimately due to CC's design and build quality it shouldn't matter at all provided all parts are in fact derived from other factory SA20 rifles and it comes with all factory accessories or is priced less to reflect this.
Cheers D
The reason I ask is that I have a SA 20 lower that is now mated with a 6920 upper. I'm thinking of buying a SA 20 upper and all the other CC parts , turning it into a complete SA 20.
But it would cost me about $1400 to do, so not sure if I want to spend that kind of cash, unless I could recoup it, if I decide to sell.
Thanks
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- Richmond, BC
A couple of weeks ago, my friend picked up a complete SA20 from one of the site sponsors for $1,500 plus tax and shipping.
I wouldn't think the value would be there with a NON SA20 upper, it's not quite a FrakenAR, but it won't be worth the value of a factory SA20, nor will it sell as easily. I'd expect you to lose the cost of the lower and a few hundred more at those figures; meaning the final build will probably be worth a little more then a $1,000.
Why not sell the lower and just add the $1,400 and buy a real SA20? I know it's sometimes easier (and more fun) to piece these firearms together, but you won't be saving yourself any cash when it comes time for resale.
That's a smoking deal for sure.
Cheers D
- Location
- Richmond, BC
I think it came with a raptor charging handle as well. Just msged my buddy to see who he got it from.
Any idea how many SA 20 left on the market?
Right now, if I were to buy the rest of the parts off the EE it would cost me $1900 . ( already got a lower for $500). Cheapest I've seen one is $1800 + 15% taxes + shipping. So it would cost me $300 more to sell my lower and buy a complete.
I didn't start out even wanting a CC , but ended up with the 6920 upper and then got the CC lower. And so it begins, now I want the CC upper...
Right now, if I were to buy the rest of the parts off the EE it would cost me $1900 . ( already got a lower for $500). Cheapest I've seen one is $1800 + 15% taxes + shipping. So it would cost me $300 more to sell my lower and buy a complete.
I didn't start out even wanting a CC , but ended up with the 6920 upper and then got the CC lower. And so it begins, now I want the CC upper...
I doubt anyone would have a good idea since they have all left the distributor and what's in the stores is only available by asking each individual store.
CC made #500 SA20's and held back #10, so out of the #490 available I'd guesstimate maybe #25 to #50+/-? still in stores nation wide.
I've learned the hard way after spending more then I'd care to share on cool gear n' stuff that you're always better off paying for what you really want instead of trying to compromise for the sake of saving money etc.
If there's a better model of something (firearms related or not) that is what you want, but you decide on a lesser model/product... you'll almost always desire the better product so you eventually buy it; which then negates any savings you may have had with your first choice/compromise.
Not doing exactly this has cost me thousands over the years, but now I live by it, if I can afford too.
I'd sell what you have (if it was me) and find a deal on a new SA20 or new/used SA20 on the EE if that's what you really want. Because no matter how nice your home brew SA20 is (and I say that with no disrespect to you or anyone else) the real thing will always be just that, real and likely what you truly want. In the big picture of life what's a few hundred extra on something that makes you happy and when it's something that's easily attainable (it's not a brand new Ferrari...) why not (the bonus is you'll most likely make up the difference on resale, if you ever sale).
You might even be able to trade the parts you have on the EE towards a SA20?
Cheers D
CC made #500 SA20's and held back #10, so out of the #490 available I'd guesstimate maybe #25 to #50+/-? still in stores nation wide.
Any idea how many SA 20 left on the market?
Right now, if I were to buy the rest of the parts off the EE it would cost me $1900 . ( already got a lower for $500). Cheapest I've seen one is $1800 + 15% taxes + shipping. So it would cost me $300 more to sell my lower and buy a complete.
I didn't start out even wanting a CC , but ended up with the 6920 upper and then got the CC lower. And so it begins, now I want the CC upper...
I've learned the hard way after spending more then I'd care to share on cool gear n' stuff that you're always better off paying for what you really want instead of trying to compromise for the sake of saving money etc.
If there's a better model of something (firearms related or not) that is what you want, but you decide on a lesser model/product... you'll almost always desire the better product so you eventually buy it; which then negates any savings you may have had with your first choice/compromise.
Not doing exactly this has cost me thousands over the years, but now I live by it, if I can afford too.
I'd sell what you have (if it was me) and find a deal on a new SA20 or new/used SA20 on the EE if that's what you really want. Because no matter how nice your home brew SA20 is (and I say that with no disrespect to you or anyone else) the real thing will always be just that, real and likely what you truly want. In the big picture of life what's a few hundred extra on something that makes you happy and when it's something that's easily attainable (it's not a brand new Ferrari...) why not (the bonus is you'll most likely make up the difference on resale, if you ever sale
).You might even be able to trade the parts you have on the EE towards a SA20?
Cheers D
- Location
- Richmond, BC
Building one from EE:
Upper currently on EE with no BCG, no charging handle, no rear sight $825
BCG - $300-400
Colt/Troy BUIS - $100-150
charging handle $20-50
Yikes.....too bad you missed out on the deal from Zahal. I just checked with buddy and he said $1500 all in, with an extra charging handle. They sold the last one a week or so ago.
Upper currently on EE with no BCG, no charging handle, no rear sight $825
BCG - $300-400
Colt/Troy BUIS - $100-150
charging handle $20-50
Yikes.....too bad you missed out on the deal from Zahal. I just checked with buddy and he said $1500 all in, with an extra charging handle. They sold the last one a week or so ago.
I hear what your saying. I didn't start off wanting anything in particular. But the upper was on sale , so I grabbed one. Then I wanted a colt lower to go on it. I tryed to find a Colt US lower but had no luck. So I ended up with a CC lower , and here I am.
I'll run it as is for now, maybe if I see any good deals on the EE , I'll jump on them
I'll run it as is for now, maybe if I see any good deals on the EE , I'll jump on them
- Location
- Richmond, BC
I hear what your saying. I didn't start off wanting anything in particular. But the upper was on sale , so I grabbed one. Then I wanted a colt lower to go on it. I tryed to find a Colt US lower but had no luck. So I ended up with a CC lower , and here I am.
I'll run it as is for now, maybe if I see any good deals on the EE , I'll jump on them
I bought an Le6920 lower, then threw a Norc upper on in, sold the Norc upper and bought the the IUR, but then also got a CC lower to go with the IUR upper so I bought an LE6920 upper, but then saw a great deal on a Stag Arms upper so I bought that too. I sold the LE6920 upper and lower together as a complete rifle and bought a stripped CC lower for a great deal.......by the end of that year, I had a complete SA20, a complete PWS rifle, a complete CC with IUR and a frankenrifle made up of CC and Stag parts.....
Then I wanted another Colt USA rifle, so I bought another LE6920 upper......then another LE6920 lower, lol! It NEVER ends......
LOL, I started with a Stag AR, Then seen the CC SA15 and sold the stag to buy that. Then sold the CC to buy a Blacktain lower , with intentions of doing a Blackrain build. Then I sold that and bought the SFRC lower, just to have a lower. Then I seen the deal on the 6920 upper, so I had to buy that. And well I'm right back where I started. Where did you find all the 6920 lowers? I couldn't find one anywhere . You know what, never mind , don't tell me where to get one , because then I'll be trying to do two Colt builds.
LOL, I started with a Stag AR, Then seen the CC SA15 and sold the stag to buy that. Then sold the CC to buy a Blacktain lower , with intentions of doing a Blackrain build. Then I sold that and bought the SFRC lower, just to have a lower. Then I seen the deal on the 6920 upper, so I had to buy that. And well I'm right back where I started. Where did you find all the 6920 lowers? I couldn't find one anywhere . You know what, never mind , don't tell me where to get one , because then I'll be trying to do two Colt builds.
AR'itis is it a disease or a blessing? What is it with gear, guns and gadgets...
We just can't stop ourselves from collecting cool kit. I've got a basement full of stuff and some of it is still sitting around new/unused in the original box; ugh I need more time so I can get chit done.
Cheers D
- Location
- Richmond, BC
LOL, I started with a Stag AR, Then seen the CC SA15 and sold the stag to buy that. Then sold the CC to buy a Blacktain lower , with intentions of doing a Blackrain build. Then I sold that and bought the SFRC lower, just to have a lower. Then I seen the deal on the 6920 upper, so I had to buy that. And well I'm right back where I started. Where did you find all the 6920 lowers? I couldn't find one anywhere . You know what, never mind , don't tell me where to get one , because then I'll be trying to do two Colt builds.
Lol, I bought both my LE6920 lowers from EE. They pop up periodically. Got my first one for about $650 shipped, got my second one for $630 shipped. Second one was a better deal because it came with a Geissele SAA trigger.
There's a nice little CC lower in EE right now for $675 shipped. Posted 13Aug16, BTT'd 3 times. I may have to put it out of it's misery if it gets BTT'd much more, lol!
Make no mistake, it is definitely a sickenss and as far as I know, there is no known cure.
With the exception of the lower, this rifle was slapped together from parts from my spare parts bin:
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A common belief in many AR owners is they promise themselves they will buy one rifle, or even just one lower on it's own and buy several uppers. It's a little white lie I tell myself and my wife.
I see a cool upper for a sweet deal, I buy it. It sits in my locker next to my complete rifle, jealous and all pissed off wondering why it isn't mated to a lower, so I buy a lower for it, and the vicious cycle continues........FOREVER.
^ Well done good sir, your spare parts bin is worthy indeed.
Now to get that whole rifle looking like the stock and by that I mean well used (not that your parts aren't already, shall we say experienced)...
Cheers D
Now to get that whole rifle looking like the stock and by that I mean well used (not that your parts aren't already, shall we say experienced)...
Cheers D
- Location
- Richmond, BC
Lol, not to derail this thread even further than I have, but my camera seems to make everything look shiny and new, even stuff that's been beat to hell.
Here's a better shot of the stock and grip:
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Picked them up from an trucker who may or may not have used them on his M4 in a certain unpleasant part of the world.
And the rails have seen better days, but got these off a buddy who used them in a different unpleasant part of the world on his C8 (which I think he originally bought off an American over there):
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The KAC rail is on it's way out, cracked in all sorts of places and not really serviceable anymore so I'm hunting around for a replacement for the top part of the clamshell.
I agree though, the rest of the upper and lowers don't really match everything else so I'll have to get out and shoot the hell out of it, lol!
View attachment 65958Well, since we're doing pics.
Here's mine so far.
I'm not to fussy about the Windham Handguard though. I ordered a MI midlenght FF from Irunguns, with the intention of cutting off the FSP. But have decided I'm not going that route now. So now I'm stuck with a New Handguard that I don't need. Any recommendations of a drop in Handguard ?
.Here's mine so far.
I'm not to fussy about the Windham Handguard though. I ordered a MI midlenght FF from Irunguns, with the intention of cutting off the FSP. But have decided I'm not going that route now. So now I'm stuck with a New Handguard that I don't need. Any recommendations of a drop in Handguard ?
- Location
- Richmond, BC
View attachment 65958Well, since we're doing pics
Here's mine so far.
I'm not to fussy about the Windham Handguard though. I ordered a MI midlenght FF from Irunguns, with the intention of cutting off the FSP. But have decided I'm not going that route now. So now I'm stuck with a New Handguard that I don't need. Any recommendations of a drop in Handguard ?
For drop in ones, I just stick to KAC, but that's personal preference because I've been obsessed with the Mk18 Mod 0. I know Midwest Industries makes a decent drop in rail, but you could probably find any number of decent drop in rails on EE.
