Very accurate 9mm ?
- Thread starter Gillis2
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I find the grip on my Pardini easier to manage than my CZ TS. The Pardini has a thumb cutout which seem to make it fit better than with the CZ.
jdm66 in answer to your questions: I bought the slightly used Pardini from Gdawg. A real gentleman by the way. I am happy to see he has answered your questions as I have not received it yet. According to Canada Post tracking, it should not be long...
Gilbert
Gilbert
scriptguru
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I'd really recommend XDm-9
I own 4.5" version and it's extremely accurate. I posted my groups here couple times.
I own 4.5" version and it's extremely accurate. I posted my groups here couple times.
I have also been looking at the new CZ TS Orange, very nice,but I think I'll be waiting awhile to get one.Wolverine has a preorder list that started back in April and they are just starting to trickle in now.It sure would be nice to handle a few of these fine pistols before laying down $2000 plus dollars.I'll keep looking around and do some more homework and then decide.
What is the trigger pull weight out of box??
Forest1488
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Great thread. However IMHO, we should really look at the terms "inherent accuracy or level of precision" instead of accuracy of the pistol in this case. Go to your old high school physics books or Google accuracy vs precision.
Accuracy comes from the shooter and is a combination of technique and experience with a small portion going to how well the gun fits ones personal preference including trigger type and pull. Precision is simply how well the gun is designed and manufactured. If we place a pistol in a ransom rest, shoot a few, the size of the group will determine it's level of precision. Custom built, small batch manufactured pistols like the S&W PPC 9, 952, SIG P210, X-Six, STI'S, Korth, Pardini's, Tanfoglio's, high end custom 1911's, and so on will all shoot very tight repeatable groups with the right ammunition and are considered precise. Mass manufactured pistols (Glock, M&P, Springfield) with lower tolerances are not as precise and will have larger groups if placed in the same rest. (As a side note, I consider the CZ the top of the line when it comes to the precision level of mass manufactured guns...period)
A well trained person with years of experience with an out of the box Glock or M&P will outshoot most of us no matter what gun we use. However, at some point, no matter how experienced you get with any pistol, you can only shoot as tight as that particular gun allows (a problem few of us will ever encounter).
I would love to set up ransom rest at a range on a consistent weather day with a case of high quality ammo and shooting five shots out to 25m with every pistol I could get my hands on just to see what kind of results one would end up with. Might end up with a few surprises.
Accuracy comes from the shooter and is a combination of technique and experience with a small portion going to how well the gun fits ones personal preference including trigger type and pull. Precision is simply how well the gun is designed and manufactured. If we place a pistol in a ransom rest, shoot a few, the size of the group will determine it's level of precision. Custom built, small batch manufactured pistols like the S&W PPC 9, 952, SIG P210, X-Six, STI'S, Korth, Pardini's, Tanfoglio's, high end custom 1911's, and so on will all shoot very tight repeatable groups with the right ammunition and are considered precise. Mass manufactured pistols (Glock, M&P, Springfield) with lower tolerances are not as precise and will have larger groups if placed in the same rest. (As a side note, I consider the CZ the top of the line when it comes to the precision level of mass manufactured guns...period)
A well trained person with years of experience with an out of the box Glock or M&P will outshoot most of us no matter what gun we use. However, at some point, no matter how experienced you get with any pistol, you can only shoot as tight as that particular gun allows (a problem few of us will ever encounter).
I would love to set up ransom rest at a range on a consistent weather day with a case of high quality ammo and shooting five shots out to 25m with every pistol I could get my hands on just to see what kind of results one would end up with. Might end up with a few surprises.
When we talk accuracy, I think it is understood that we are talking precision (e.g. how tight of a group is the gun capable of shooting).
At a certain point, objectively picking the most accurate gun is like picking the fly sh*t out of the pepper. I bet a lot will be close, even from a Ransom rest, to a point where sample variability would also be relevant. I know the shooter is the big variable, but all things being equal, 2 competent shooters aren't necessarily going to come to the same conclusion either. Preferences and familiarity with the platform also matter (arguably less and less the more competent you are.). I can shoot some guns very accurately, but it requires a lot of concentration and focus. With others, I find it easy to be consistently accurate. The type of shooting also matters (e.g. slow and deliberate from rest, olympic style single handed, fast off hand, ipsc, ipda....). You can't go wrong with most of the suggestions listed. I've tried a lot (which is the fun part for me) so I know what works best for me. Frankly, I like most of them but for different reasons.
At a certain point, objectively picking the most accurate gun is like picking the fly sh*t out of the pepper. I bet a lot will be close, even from a Ransom rest, to a point where sample variability would also be relevant. I know the shooter is the big variable, but all things being equal, 2 competent shooters aren't necessarily going to come to the same conclusion either. Preferences and familiarity with the platform also matter (arguably less and less the more competent you are.). I can shoot some guns very accurately, but it requires a lot of concentration and focus. With others, I find it easy to be consistently accurate. The type of shooting also matters (e.g. slow and deliberate from rest, olympic style single handed, fast off hand, ipsc, ipda....). You can't go wrong with most of the suggestions listed. I've tried a lot (which is the fun part for me) so I know what works best for me. Frankly, I like most of them but for different reasons.
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Honestly, the most accurate 9mm pistol I've EVER fired, was my NIB Glock 17 3rd gen standard sights (the operator also helps) , the trigger reset also helps, click-bang, click-bang, click-bang. 25 yard groupings tighter than a small fist in rapid succession standing up tactical stance, not slow bench rest.
Any hi-end pistol would suffic, HK USP Expert, Glock 34 / 17L / 17, etc.
My Glock 17 would out perform my Beretta M9 for breakfast lol. Would a joy to shoot. In the USA sure would be nice to have 17+1 or even 33+1
Any hi-end pistol would suffic, HK USP Expert, Glock 34 / 17L / 17, etc.
My Glock 17 would out perform my Beretta M9 for breakfast lol. Would a joy to shoot. In the USA sure would be nice to have 17+1 or even 33+1
