VERY Disapointed with a few hunters.

Dukester said:
I really have no prob with that, sort of an impromptu party hunt. :eek:

I guess you got the meat you really count on. :D

Different situation than people who walk away from something they mistakenly or stupidly killed, like theives in the night - I hope they never enjoy a hunt again. Course then again, those folks probably never understood the hunt. Like the legal poachers.
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Puh-Leez!

So they're okay because they mistakenly killed something then found someone who happened to have a tag for it?

The person who mistakenly kills something but cannot do the same is the scum of the earth and deserves to never hunt again?

Give your damn head a shake.

It can happen to even the most experienced hunter. Things happen. Get over yourself.
 
senior said:
So here we have a person with zero moose hunting experience telling us absolutely no way you can make a mistake!
I can clearly tell you a mistake is very easy to make.
A early born single calf can sometimes range almost as big as a small cow.
While late born twin yearling calfs standing beside large cow can look very small! I've seen me swear a yearling bull with horns shorter than it's ears looking right at me at 100yds was a calf when standing beside a huge cow.
We've had 8 of 10 people tell our camp we had shot a yearling not a calf till we counted the back teeth & proved them wrong...Wew!
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You need to learn to read. I said it was the first moose ive had in front of me while moose hunting. Ive moose hunted for a number of years, and seen plenty of cows, calves, and bulls harvested by my group. Ive also deer hunted and seen moose during those times. Not to mention the fact I grew up in a rural setting and have seen plenty of moose in non-hunting situations. Regardless of my experience the issue is moot. YOU DONT PULL THE TRIGGER UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN WHAT YOU ARE SHOOTING AT. Its pretty much the number one rule that is drilled into us during the CFSC and hunters ed.

Now im the first to admit accidents can happen. If one does, be honest about it and fess up.
 
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We were hunting in the Porcupine hills in Alberta once and seen some people shoot a bull moose and it ran through a slough and died on a stupid island out in the middle of it. They would not go out and get it because of the cold and dirty water and left. My old Warrent officer buddy stripped down and waded out in there and attached a rope to it and we hauled it out and tagged it ourselves. Was the only bull moose we seen all season anyways. If we never had moose tags the story would have been a tad different to say the least.
 
Idcurrie said:
Puh-Leez! Are you a girl?
So they're okay because they mistakenly killed something then found someone who happened to have a tag for it?

Reading comprehension fail - people found them - they might very well have reported the illegally shot moose if fortune hadn't been with them that day.Still technically an offence though.

The person who mistakenly kills something but cannot do the same is the scum of the earth and deserves to never hunt again?

Your words dum dum, not mine.

Give your damn head a shake.

Ok , I did, and still see your dickhead post on my screen.

It can happen to even the most experienced hunter.

Reading comprehension fail - we are not talking about the mistake, we are talking about owning up to it. Ethical hunting. Is your Mom there to go over this for you??

Things happen. Get over yourself.

Yes things happen, I guess we agree on that. Very profound.
And while I am trying to figure out getting over myself , perhaps you could go...
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And have a wonderful day!! Laugh2
 
USP said:
Your reading is off abit today. My point was not what you wrote.

We have alot of people who beleive people cant make mistakes or if they do they should be punished really harshly. The laws as they are written give the MNR really broad sweeping powers of search, seizure and confiscation. At the same time these laws are not equally applied.

What seems to be lacking is any clear discretion here, alot have the mentality that its better to report anything that seems remotely off or illegal.

Somehow this is a good thing? Seems to lack common sense.
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lack of common sense? its not hard to figure out if laws have been broken while hunting in most cases. you're an idiot if you actually believe that anyone reporting illegal activities is doing the wrong thing because it may result in heavy fines for the perp. guess what? when you have a gun in your hands you better be damn sure about the laws in your area and what you're shooting at as bringing that critter back to life after you make a mistake isnt an option.

accidents happen and they shouldnt be reported? going by that logic i shouldnt report a drunk driver because he's probably a good guy and doesnt deserve punishment becausd he made a mistake? poachers are "stealing" from nature and other hunters. you wouldnt report evidence of a thief thats been stealing from your neighborhood?

btw...arent you a noob to hunting? thats fine if you are and im not making fun, but i wouldnt expect a noob to understand the importance of protecting our wildlife.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
. you're an idiot if you actually believe that anyone reporting illegal activities is doing the wrong thing because it may result in heavy fines for the perp. guess what?

accidents happen and they shouldnt be reported? going by that logic i shouldnt report a drunk driver because he's probably a good guy and doesnt deserve punishment becausd he made a mistake?
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So you would consider it the "right" thing to do in reporting a fellow CNutz member if you discovered he had an unregistered gun :(
 
These laws are designed to punish hunters and shooters if we make a mistake. Things like this when hunting can happen anytime and to the must experianced hunters.Its hunting not a controlled target range and depending on what you see and cannot see
so why should someone who makes the honest effort to go to a area have is truck, gun, or four wheeler taken (which he payed lots of tax on) taken away.Go report a real poacher one who shoots animals in the off season.
 
Slooshark1 said:
If someone makes a mistake, I guess the right thing to do is turn yourself and your friends in, lose your truck, guns and hunting priveledges for 5 years. Have your name published in the paper so that your whole family can share your shame. It's the right thing to do rather than letting the animal get eaten by no good vultures, crows ravens, bears, wolves, foxes, porcupines and even mice. That's what happens when you go to the MNR with your hat in hand. I guess that's the right thing to do. If you get caught looking for someone with a tag, you get charged. If you know someone who has a tag and they're not hunting with you and they come out and tag it, you both get charged and if you try and sneak the animal home, then you're a no good poacher. I've found animals dead in the bush before and it's a damn shameful waste. If someone phoned me up and asked me to attach my bull tag that I waited 14 years to get, on a moose that he accidentally shot, I'd tell him to piss up a rope. Bottom line is these guys screwed up, they took the animals they could legally take home and will probably feel terrible for a long time over the whole ordeal. Some of them may never hunt again over it. Yes it sucks but it was a moose and not a person. Life goes on.
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I would never rat on anyone. Anyone can make a mistake. Life goes on.
 
senior said:
So you would consider it the "right" thing to do in reporting a fellow CNutz member if you discovered he had an unregistered gun :(
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So poaching a living, breathing animal, wasting it, and preventing a law abiding hunter from having a chance at that animal is the same as having an unregistered gun? Thats about as good a logic as anti-hunters/anti-gun owners use.
 
DOGHIDE said:
These laws are designed to punish hunters and shooters if we make a mistake. Things like this when hunting can happen anytime and to the must experianced hunters.Its hunting not a controlled target range and depending on what you see and cannot see
so why should someone who makes the honest effort to go to a area have is truck, gun, or four wheeler taken (which he payed lots of tax on) taken away.Go report a real poacher one who shoots animals in the off season.
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Find me an example of a hunter who turned himself in for shooting the wrong moose who lost his truck, gun, and ATV. MNR posts their convictions online so if its so prevalent I assume someone here will be able to prove it.

Go on. Im waiting. I'd bet its almost always a fine in the $1000 or less range for 1st time offenders.

And I dont understand this line

"hunting not a controlled target range and depending on what you see and cannot see"

Are you saying its OK to shoot in a hunting situation without properly seeing your taget and what is beyond it?
 
bearkilr said:
A friend of mine shot a cow moose accidentally in a bull only area, minimum antler length 4 inches. He reported himself, they confiscated the moose and gave him the lowest fine possible. At least that CO had a sense of discretion which seems to be lacking with many of the younger CO's these days. My friend fully expected to get a far worse charge.
Point is, anybody can make mistakes. What separates hunters from poachers is to "man up" and admit your screw up. Abandoning a whole moose is a far worse crime than shooting the wrong ### and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Yep. I can't figure out the guys here that defend those who leave animals to rot. I've heard of several camps who have made mistakes in the past and immediately called MNR and explained what happened. The fine is usually minimal and the animal must be turned over to the MNR.
 
We just got back from moose hunting and asked the "what if you shoot the wrong animal" question of the MNR guys when they were checking out our tags. They said it is a fine usually around $400, you keep your tag, you lose the moose but you can continue hunting. He also said we realize mistakes happen, but don't have mistakes 2 or 3 years running and don't ever try to hide it.
 
As an example of what can happen, one year in Northern Ontario a fellow from a camp near ours shot a cow he thought was a calf. It was a dumb mistake as it was a full grown animal but he fessed up and the MNR took the cow and gave it to some elder natives that needed it. The guy had to return to the area to answer the charge in court and it cost him $500.00 in fines plus 2 days worth of driving to get there and back and 3 days lost work. As I recall he did not lose any property. So I think the mentality of this situation is some people panic thinking its going to be costly either way, might as well try and get away with it. The MNR really looked in to this even though he admitted the mistake, they were going around asking all the other camps if he had approached anybody looking for a cow tag to possibly lay more charges, so in the end its a lose/lose situation and some people are going to take their chances.
 
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