Very Intresting 1875 Remy (mayor of Tombstones 1882)

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I Got a very intresting gun today. :)
Its a Remington 1875 but the intresting part is whos name is engraved on the gun.
John P Clum was a Apache Agent and the mayor of Tombstone AT in the 1880s he is the Mayor who hired Wyatt Earp they were good freinds.
The Apache reservation police used remington 1875s and it makes sence to me if Clum worked closely with the Apache he would want his name engraved so there was no confusion.;)
The Engraveing has the same look and finish as the rest of the gun very old and orignal looking.
I have people looking into this as this could be a very collectable piece even in its present condition.
The bore is very good in the gun considering.
its Engraved Tombstome AT and has the date 1882 on it + his name.
Its intresting as i couldnt make out the engraveing from pictures when i bought it. Could be the find of a life time and at the very least in the end a good 1875 remy

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Keep us posted, Dingus. If that engraving is the real deal, you'll have yourself an extremely desirable antique sixgun. Someone familier with 1880's engraving techniques might be able to tell for sure. It looks authentic to me, but I know sweet tweet about period engraving.
 
vviking said:
We can faintly hear John P Clum's ghost whispering .... Fix Me .... Make me live again.
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I know but i cant hear him over the shouting of the history Buffs screaming dont touch it.

I agree it looks 100% correct to me to win 38 55 but im not and expert at period engraveing. im getting others who are to look into that for me.

Intresting Fellow he started the Apache reservation police and the indians liked him gave him the nick name NANTAN and he woulda been responisble for getting the apache police the remington 1875s that they carried.
His ancestors were from holland to.
Everything im looking at points to this being the real deal the dates the Apaches useing 1875s its all very intresting.
He and his apache police were the ones to frist ever capture gerionimo at gun point tho not a shot was fired.
 
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Would there be any way to obtain factory lettering for old Remingtons? Mayor Clum very well might have special ordered it, or sent as part of a shipment to the Apache Reservation Police. I really can't see somebody forging this (meaning an artifact linked to a relatively ancillary figure of the American West) and trying to pass it off. There is the story about Jesse James' mother having a bucket full of guns and selling them to anyone wanting a piece of history. I know a guy who owns a pistol that was (very most likely) once owned by some guy named Dr. John Henry Holliday. And it's not the gun most would associate with the name.

I'd have to vote for it's authenticity. Especially since the seller had no idea what this name meant because you don't mention the seller touting it.
 
dingus said:
I know but i cant hear him over the shouting of the history Buffs screaming dont touch it.

I agree it looks 100% correct to me to win 38 55 but im not and expert at period engraveing. im getting others who are to look into that for me.
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The voices in your head will guide you.
Fortunate you are to have built up all the contacts you have.
Thanks for yet another vicarious Dingus adventure for the troops.

You sure do turn up some doozies.
We wait with bated breath.
 
Yes this is what i want to turn it into like in the below pics.... But because some Bald politition owned it i cant touch it now :rolleyes:
Its got the best orignal bore i seen yet in a 1875 long barrel.
I do have enough all orignal 1875 parts to put this Clum gun back into a functional gun without touching the frame or finish.
I think it would be alot nicer as a functional gun even if its rough looking.
That wont hurt its colletable value at all i figger.

The History people in Tombstone are looking into it i should know soon .
Remington didnt keep very good records at all theres very little records tho maby the reservation police records the Apaches had might have someing tho im not sure theres much records there either.

This gun down below is a beauty the pics suck. Its almost ready to leave the nest.
Its so hard to part with theses tho i do like em better than SAA colts.

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dingus said:
Yes this is what i want to turn it into like in the below pics.... But because some Bald politition owned it i cant touch it now :rolleyes:
Its got the best orignal bore i seen yet in a 1875 long barrel.
I do have enough all orignal 1875 parts to put this Clum gun back into a functional gun without touching the frame or finish.
I think it would be alot nicer as a functional gun even if its rough looking.
That wont hurt its colletable value at all i figger.

The History people in Tombstone are looking into it i should know soon .
Remington didnt keep very good records at all theres very little records tho maby the reservation police records the Apaches had might have someing tho im not sure theres much records there either.

This gun down below is a beauty the pics suck. Its almost ready to leave the nest.
Its so hard to part with theses tho i do like em better than SAA colts.

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Whatever you end up doing there will be contrary opinions.
It's humourous to watch the hyper-anal, uber-collector, paragons of virtue explode in fits of apoplexy at a mere fingerprint on their artifacts. ..... I'ts a gun fer cryin' out loud, thats what oil is for.
The handling marks, rust, and patina from sloppy prior owners is to be treasured .... but any further signs of use while in the present caretakers gentle hands is forbidden. Someone explain please how present owners are not part of an antiques continuing chain of history.
If this '75 hadn't fallen into your hands it could have been lost to a metal recycling bin.
No harm in making it whole, Clum would like that, And right back again to a barreled frame if'n you are offered a Tombstone ransom someday.

I yearn for the day that I can afford to help you part with a piece like '75 above.
 
Nice find Sir! Whoever sold it to you should have looked up the name or at least saw it and bothered to.

Wow! I was visited Tombstone last year and checked out OK Corral. If it turns out to be his gun, that would be a keeper!
 
I think thats what im gona do get all my orignal parts to look like the rest of the frame and the 44 Remington cylinder so its still a perscribed antique up here.
That way it will be a shooter as it deserves to be again but as far as the frame goes its still as i received it.
The frames in very good condition all the threads are good in all the holes.
Something neat about this one for sure.
and i do want to keep it. :)

I found the E remington barrel address is backwards. all my other ones the E remington runs from the site back towards the cylinder this barrel has a Silver sight blade and the E remington starts at the threaded end of the barrel running towards the site.
I also recently discovered one of my other Remy 1875s that came from New zealand has british proofmarks all over it, thats very rare but got nothing on this gun.
 
I say rebuild it into a top notch shooter and engrave "Dingus 2010" On the inside of the strap (opposite side from the bald politician). If a little history is good then a bit extra will be better.

Good on ya for getting it.
 
When a gun is that far gone, it deserves to be brought back. Just make sure you document it's authenticity before restoration so nobody can argue that it's a fake in the future......
 
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That gun is hardly broken in yet! I still say give it the full Dingus magic but it has to date been well cared for. No errant screw driver gouges, no evidence of nail hammering, no 180 grit sandpaper polishing, It is crisp everywhere and that patina can only be aqquired on a used gun that has been oiled and maintained. It may have had a recent period of poor storage (hence the rubbing on the back strap) but overall You'd have to be a fussy cowpoke not to be proud carrying that in your saddlebag. The oxidation of the inside of the hammer recess and the forward portion of the frame shows that even though it had some storage issues it was never used in the sandbox by kids playing first nations and evil imperialist land grabbers.

When you see a gun with that patina, a crisp bore and those sharp edges you know you lucked out big time!


Just looked again maybe the brightness of the back of the grip is'nt over cleaning I think it is where someones jacket buffed it over time?
 
david doyle said:
That gun is hardly broken in yet! I still say give it the full Dingus magic but it has to date been well cared for. No errant screw driver gouges, no evidence of nail hammering, no 180 grit sandpaper polishing, It is crisp everywhere and that patina can only be aqquired on a used gun that has been oiled and maintained. It may have had a recent period of poor storage (hence the rubbing on the back strap) but overall You'd have to be a fussy cowpoke not to be proud carrying that in your saddlebag. The oxidation of the inside of the hammer recess and the forward portion of the frame shows that even though it had some storage issues it was never used in the sandbox by kids playing first nations and evil imperialist land grabbers.

When you see a gun with that patina, a crisp bore and those sharp edges you know you lucked out big time!


Just looked again maybe the brightness of the back of the grip is'nt over cleaning I think it is where someones jacket buffed it over time?
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Your Right the frame is in great shape way better than most i see.
Thats intresting about the back strap and a jacket. Could very well be,
There still researching it in AZ the word i got back today was " it looks Good "
 
Nice find Dingus, good for you. I agree with dd and Dingus, that action looks great.....used but not abused. There is lots of info about John Clum on Google. He was a very successful indian agent and well respected, was Mayor for only 2 years but those years included the famous shoot out at OK corral. He lived in Alaska at one time and died in Los Angeles at 80 in 1932. If that old Remmy could only talk. Sounds like it travelled lots of miles up and down the west coast. I think its very fitting thats were it resides today. Enjoy and keep us informed with more of your famous pictures as it is transformed back to its glory days.
 
I do hope the research confirms the authenticity of the pistol. The engravings do look period. The trouble is that there are those who will attempt to commit fraud. Take a gun that has seen better days, bit of engraving, and voila!
 
Here he is with his Apache comrads i think he is wearing my 1875 :) No way to tell from this picture tho.
I have ordered a bunch of stuff with info on him pics Ect to keep with the gun.
I have a Jacket just like he is wearing to LOL
The Engraveing was done back in the 1800s were thinking looking at the patina in the letters it all looks the same age.
and Tombstone says its "looking good" i am hopefull to get a Ser# confrimation from a fellow who had a collection of guns includeing Clums stuff who lived in tombstone.

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Fantastic.

My great uncle, (great grandfather's brother) was the first man buried in Boot Hill. He and his brother went to a saloon, which was just a tent set up on barrels to stick up for a man they were mining with. In the ensuing gunfight he was killed and the other uncle was shot in the face and was permanently blinded. My great grandfather had to take a train to El Paso, hire a wagon and drive it all the way to Tombstone to pick up the body and the wounded brother and bring them back to Texas. The blinded uncle was put up by my grandfather for the rest of his life.

Families were different then.

Anyhow, Tombstone has a big place in our family history.

You got a nice piece there and no foolin'.
 
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