"Victory at Falaise"

General Leclerc was useless. He rode on the efforts of Allied troops so he could grandstand by being 'first' into Paris....


It's not like "Monty" wasn't racing his American counterpart(s) to be the first to reach Rome, in the process leaving Canadians to "deal with" the Germans in Ortona.... :wave:



As I understand it, an added "bonus" of the British & Americans bypassing Ortona in haste was that the Canadians were facing Germans who (other than "dissipating" or surrendering) had nowhere to fall back to, given the Americans and Brits were effectively behind them... :yingyang:
 
To your point about ignoring history, well don't jump to conclusions. There are many battle honours for miserable little scraps in between the Normandy Beach and the end of Falaise. My old reserve unit's wartime regiment, The Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment has a couple The Liaison and Clair Tizon which are tiny specks on the map between Caen and Falaise. The men who died there are recognized, and in army tradition, don't need stone pillars or obelisks. The guidon tells the story. FWIW, the wikipedia page on The Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment notes those battles in some detail.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, merely reporting what the organizers of "Operation Husky 2013" were told by the government. Your experience notwithstanding.
 
It's not like "Monty" wasn't racing his American counterpart(s) to be the first to reach Rome, in the process leaving Canadians to "deal with" the Germans in Ortona.... :wave:



As I understand it, an added "bonus" of the British & Americans bypassing Ortona in haste was that the Canadians were facing Germans who (other than "dissipating" or surrendering) had nowhere to fall back to, given the Americans and Brits were effectively behind them... :yingyang:
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I was once told that the objective of the 'United Nations' in Italy was to 'destroy the enemy' ... not 'capture the ground/feature/hill/village' at ###.

This is an excellent site https://history.army.mil/books/70-7_12.htm and describes the conflicting options as proposed by Rommel and Kesselring for operations in Italy. Certainly any withdrawal of forces to the Northern Appenines to secure the Po Valley (as Rommel had originally recommended) would create a pretty tough task for attacking forces. As it eventually DID when the Canadians hit the Gothic line (or Green line as the Germans later preferred)
 
I'm not jumping to any conclusions, merely reporting what the organizers of "Operation Husky 2013" were told by the government. Your experience notwithstanding.

I think the problem is/was the lack of local acknowledgement of the Canadian contribution in Sicily and Italy. To many people (locals and others) there were only Americans and British in the Italian campaign (overlooking or ignoring the Canadian contingent). And unfortunately some battlefields are only locally acknowledged because they generate tourism revenue. There is a reason some of the Canadian "D Day Dodgers" are/were justifiably bitter.
 
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I was once told that the objective of the 'United Nations' in Italy was to 'destroy the enemy' ... not 'capture the ground/feature/hill/village' at ###...



Officially-stated objectives may be one thing, but the egos vying for glory were larger than Lancasters... :yingyang:
 
The First Cdn Army attack from south of Caen to Falaise and beyond was a real bu99er's muddle in many ways. It was full of things that we were later taught to do and not to do, and it was very much a learning ordeal for the troops involved.

Some of the problems included an innovative, but top down planned and directed, attack which denied flexibility to those on the ground. It was replete with problems incl 2 fresh and inexperienced formations, 4th Cdn and 1st Polish Armd Divs, who went through a very steep and costly learning curve, lack of command, control and communications, lack of int on the enemy in a rapidly changing situation, hasty/poor battle procedure which denied lower levels time for recce, planning and co-ordination, troops outrunning their artillery support, poor terrain appreciation, ineffectiveness of heavy bomber and tactical air support resulting in numerous blue on blue losses, poor co-ordination with flanking/friendly formations, and interrupted logistics support for the tank units.

Some of the more glaring shortcomings included a rigid timetable for Operation Totalize, the initial attack, which saw the troops break through the German defensive crust and then sit and wait several hours for a programmed strategic bomb strike instead of exploiting success (Meyer, the German commander likened it to stopping to feed the horses in the middle of a cavalry charge), excessive caution by green troops in the Cdn and Polish Armd Divs who were the designated exploitation forces, lack of continuous artillery support, poor command and control and situational awareness by senior commanders ( Kitching, who commanded 4th Armd Div, actually found Booth, who commanded the 4th Armd Bde, drunk in his command tank), and failure to recognize the River Laize as an unfordable tank obstacle in Operation Tractable, the second deliberate attack to get to Falaise. Booth was KIA and replaced by the CO of the CGG who attempted to run 4 Armd Bde while suffering from a broken ankle. The Germans continued to react and inflict heavy losses during the operation to the point where they were eventually depleted or withdrawn from the Falaise pocket.

This was a real trail of tears for the inexperienced armoured regiments in the 4th Cdn Armd Div ( BCR, CGG, GGFG and SAR) who sustained very heavy tank and personnel losses and had to be continuously reconstituted as the operation progressed(at one point the BCR was virtually wiped out after making a navigational error which put them on an isolated position well removed from their objective, which was then overrun by German armour).

We won out in the end as a result of the persistent efforts of the troops, allied air and artillery support (even though poorly co-ordinated at times), and the fact that the Germans were depleted and trying to execute a withdrawal. I knew and served with number of people who participated in the Falaise operation, incl a tank driver in the SAR and troop leaders in both the SAR and CGG and my uncle who was a RCEME tank fitter involved in repairing tanks to keep them in action.

I'd recommend the following books which provide some good insights into the Cdn involvement in the Falaise Gap operations; "No Holding Back", by Brian Reid, which focuses on the initial attack, Operation Totalize, and "The Armoured Campaign in Normandy", by Stephen Napier. There are other references, including the Cdn official history and various regimental histories, but I find these 2 books somewhat more objective and analytical, and maybe less self-serving. I'd pick them as references for officer training.
 
Thank-you Purple, you are one of the most valuable members on CGN, I know my history extremely well but always look forward to your posts to expand my knowledge (and also to see if I can find a mistake haha). I envy your clear and articulate writing style.
Dave
 
Most people who visit Normany focus on D DAY and the invasion beaches, which is all to the good.

I'd recommend going inland visiting the battlefields leading to Falaise and beyond. Nearly 3000 of our dead from the fighting beyond Caen to Falaise are buried in the Brettville sur Laize War Cemetery near Cintheaux.

More than 30 yrs ago I visited the area in detail while on leave from the Middle East. I stayed in Gace, a town beyond Falaise, and found it a good base to tour from. I took pictures of the Polish memorial on Mt Omel and showed them to the Polish officers who were working for me in the UN. They were on the Warsaw Pact side at that time and had no idea that Polish troops had fought in Normandy, and were under Canadian command. That didn't fit with the communist version of history.
 
I thought these two sources provide a pretty interesting outline of Canadian action in Operation Totalize and Tractable: https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1064&context=cmh and https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/closing-the-falaise-pocket/.

Richard Rohmer had made some critical and unflattering observations, in one of his books, regarding the Cdn ground forces attempts to close the 'gap' ... as a result a friend, who was a FOO during these operations (and knew Rohmer), was extremely upset about Rohmers comments and pointed out that perhaps Rohmer 'didnt know what he was talking about'. Rohmer had implied incompetence and lack of action -- while my friend pointed to the heavy casualties that Canadians had suffered and the fact that the Germans were highly motivated to get out of the trap and to get home. I can imagine by that time the rapid Soviet advance would also be an incentive for German personnel to get home to their families. My friend said that it was not uncommon at the time for FOO's to find themselves on an objective and 'in command' of what remained of the assaulting force because the other officers had become casualties.

Many have read of Eisenhowers comments when touring the battle area: "scenes that could be described only by Dante. It was literally possible to walk for hundreds of yards at a time, stepping on nothing but dead and decaying flesh.". Clearly there is always lessons to be learned .... but I think Canadians (and Poles) who served in these operations deserve great credit and admiration for their accomplishment.
 
If people want to look a bit more closely at Canadian operations to close the Falaise gap, specifically those of the 4th Cdn Armd Div, I'd recommend reading "21 Days in Normandy", by Angelo Caravaggio. This is somewhat of an exoneration of Maj-Gen George Kitching and the 4th Armd Div who have been blamed for excess caution in their operations. It's somewhat pedantic in style, and the author goes into considerable detail on the preliminary training and readiness of the 4th Div as well as its actual operations. The 4th Div virtually went off the boats into its first major action and learned quickly in the crucible of fire.

History hasn't been too forgiving of Kitching and the 4th Armd Div, but this book puts things in a more sympathetic light and discusses a number of factors beyond Kitching's control- including his superiors and the enemy. People with an interest in planning and conducting operations at brigade and divisional levels will find it pretty interesting.
 
The book does mention the large number of German troops who voluntarily surrendered, demoralized by the relentless air attacks and artillery fire. Hundreds of them at a time were easily herded west by just a few soldiers. They could have over powered their guards and escaped easily, especially during the German counter attack.

Something I didn't know about before was the unsuccessful German counter attack intended to allow more troops to escape the Gap. It came pretty close to succeeding but the Poles stubbornly held onto their key position despite appalling losses, low food, ammo and water.
They were NOT going to surrender to Germans! They treated Wermacht POWs respectfully, but the Waffen SS less charitably.

The success of the Typhoons taught the Allies a valuable lesson re: close air support, the modern equivalent being the A-10 Warthog, the guardian angel of the infantry in the Iraq/Afghanistan theatres. "Death From Above"!

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Fly Low - Hit Hard!
 
not to mention the average german soldier was STONED OUT OF HIS MIND on drugs at the time and had been since 1936- or so the history channel says
 
Another excellent book covering the Caen-Falaise events is "The Guns of Normandy", the second book in the series written by George S. Blackburn. There are three books in total:

1) Where the hell are the guns? Detailing initial training and the build up to D-Day.
2) The Guns of Normandy - Covering the D-Day invasion and the push through France
3) The Guns of Victory - Covering the Push into Holland and finally into Germany itself.

Makes for a most illustrative read of the situation from a Arty FOO on the ground.

Cheers
G.
 
not to mention the average german soldier was STONED OUT OF HIS MIND on drugs at the time and had been since 1936- or so the history channel says

That's an interesting assertion to make. On what facts do you base this?

My late Uncle Micky joined the Wehrmacht in 1938 at age 18, straight out of the orphanage in Dresden, and served his final year in Northern France, along with the rest of the retreating German forces. He met his particular Waterloo along the A57 highway just outside Moenchengladbach in 1945, a route that I used to go to work in Rheindahlen from 1977 to 1981.

I find it strange that although he talked a little about his war, which included a 2nd and 1st Class EK, five wound medals and two close combat awards, he never once, to my recollection, mentioned using leisure-time drugs of any kind.

To be honest, I've often watched the HC with a shaking head. Sure it's called the HC, but what planet is THEIR version of history recalling?
 
t-star is thinking of the Germans use of Pervitin, a type of “Speed” (methamphetamine).

They weren’t “stoned”, it keeps you awake and gives you energy for long marches, battles, flying etc... Every military in WW2 used their own forms of speed. The Germans were perhaps the most prolific users though, but that makes sense coming from the land of Bayer, Pfizer and the like. Panzerschokolade!
 
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