Vortex Crossfire II distortion
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Please tell us which vortex models you have owned and how many.... and tell us of all your bad experiences..... and tell us how "walmart" honors a warranty for life without receipt to anyone who owns the item purchased for eternity..... (or of another scope manufacturer that does that for that matter....
Some people (including me) dislike glocks... mass produced polymer handguns with crappy sites..... but you seem to enjoy them.... so good for you......
Very interested to see your vast vortex experience....
I also hate Vortex, They sell a warranty.
I have owned a SPARC, it would drain the battery on its own. Sold NIB after RMA
I have owned Vortex PST 1-4, Purchased from SFRC , 1st range trip the reticle wouldn't work. Or turned on and off from shooting. ( SFRC left me hanging and straight out told me to sent it to Vortex and wouldn't exchange ) Sold NIB after RMA
Sold my Viper PST 16X right after just in case. lol...
Purchased a Sightron and haven't looked back.... Glass is nicer and it just plain works...
I have owned a SPARC, it would drain the battery on its own. Sold NIB after RMA
I have owned Vortex PST 1-4, Purchased from SFRC , 1st range trip the reticle wouldn't work. Or turned on and off from shooting. ( SFRC left me hanging and straight out told me to sent it to Vortex and wouldn't exchange ) Sold NIB after RMA
Sold my Viper PST 16X right after just in case. lol...
Purchased a Sightron and haven't looked back.... Glass is nicer and it just plain works...
Fair enough and some honest experience.... odd that I own 14 and have had no issues but if I had I would share your opinion. ... I expect my gear to work... and so far it has for me.... sorry for your luck....
Lol... my experience with dirtbikes exactly....
The endless warranty threads on this forum and others is enough to steer anyone with half a brain away from the Chinese and phillipine garbage.
I don't buy low end SH!t from unknown new to market manufacturers. Of the vortex I've handled and used on others guns, none were great. Fisheye on the ultra low end junk, and poor tracking on the higher end stuff. Their top end optics qwere decent but not worth the $1700 plus pricetag.
You can dislike glocks all you want. What you can't do is prove they're junk. Again, the endless warranty threads and failures speak for themselves when it comes to vortex.
As a side note I know a guy who works for a major gun shop and his discount as an employee is
50% at minimum on vortex products. Seeing as how the shop still makes a buck at that discount and vortex makes a profit and can still offer a lifetime replacement warranty. Just how much did it cost to make that optic to begin with? You people are grossly over paying for second rate products. The warranty is what sells it for most. What people don't seem to mind is the need to use the warranty and often. I guess performance isn't important and your time must be cheap.
Tdc
Eta: vortex aren't the worst optics available, not by a long shot, but they're far far from the high end product they make them out to be. Vortex is like blackhawk and 5.11 gear, low end with great marketing and great margins for the dealers.
Feel free to over pay for junk all you want, its your money. This forum and every range, match, and training course I've ever been to is loaded with junk gear, so I guess I'm in the minority on this one. Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Low priced items will get you loq end performance. You gotta pay to play.
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How many Glocks have you owned? How many quality optics have you owned/used? Right, Gotcha...
I've also never eaten dog sh*t or been shot, but I'm confident that neither are activities I wish to experience.
As I said, buy all the junk you want, its your money and I don't care what you do with it. Just don't whine about poor performance or pretend your low end gear is better than it is, its not.
TDC
I've got a crossfire 1, in the 4-16x50 AO variety on my 325 WSM, it recoils like my brothers A-bolt 300 win mag, had it for a few years as the rifle I hunt with, and not a single problem.
Having said that, it was really cheap, I didn't have time to save some money for a scope and knew full well even though it was cheap it was still something of a risky investment.
It isn't the best scope for the rifle, something in a 2.5-12 x 44 or 50mm objective without the AO ring and in a higher quality glass would be much better suited to it, but I don't have any issues with the quality of the glass (at least for how I use it) nor has it failed in any way, other then the AO function is better suited to a target rifle.
I have no regrets with this vortex, it seems to undermine some folks statements about cheap chinese crap and get under their skin, but that doesn't really bother me, I may go to something different in the future one day but I will keep it for a varmit rifle or maybe the 17 WSM if I do.
Having said that, it was really cheap, I didn't have time to save some money for a scope and knew full well even though it was cheap it was still something of a risky investment.
It isn't the best scope for the rifle, something in a 2.5-12 x 44 or 50mm objective without the AO ring and in a higher quality glass would be much better suited to it, but I don't have any issues with the quality of the glass (at least for how I use it) nor has it failed in any way, other then the AO function is better suited to a target rifle.
I have no regrets with this vortex, it seems to undermine some folks statements about cheap chinese crap and get under their skin, but that doesn't really bother me, I may go to something different in the future one day but I will keep it for a varmit rifle or maybe the 17 WSM if I do.
Glocks owned equals one.... it was enough.... just not my thing.... very reliable but not built for accuracy and hated the feel of it....
I have had quite a few quality optics.... mostly zeiss.... I liked them.... but my experience with vortex has lead me away from spendi g all that money on something when I can get something serviceabe and dependable at half the price.... ymmv
Don't wish to sound like a prick, but I bet you couldn't shoot that Glock for sh*t, hence your dislike for them. As for optics, my experience and that of shooters who shoot a lot more than you and I do, all choose to run better products. A Hyundai is a serviceable car, but I bet you'd take a BMW over a Hyundai if you had the choice.
TDC
I shot the glock "decent".... I think if I upgraded the sights I would have shot it better.... really, just didnt like the feel of polymer much....
I don't disagree that you get what you pay for.... dont get me wrong.... what I am saying is that there is always going to be bigger better faster stronger prettier out there.... but to write a whole line of products off because they are inexpensive even though they do a great job for their price range is wrong.... sure, there are better scopes out there but not for the money imop.... and these are good reliable optics with much better glass than their price point indicates.... in fact, I would put my viper pst side by side with some of the zeiss I have owned....
I would be apt to use savage axis, ruger american, marlin xl7 as a comparison.... not guns you would brag about owning (if I had an axis or american I may consider waiting for everyone to leave the range due to firearm ugliness).... but all seem dependable and will do a good job as a base hunting rifle.... and its a good thing that young hunters and shooters with little disposable income have these reliable options available to them....
Interesting thread that I'm going to revive. There seems to be a little scope snobbery going on in that if you are not spending big dollars on optics, your scope is mediocre to crap. Nothing can be further from the truth. Like many things, there is a point of diminishing returns. A $4000.00 scope is not twice as clear/bright/better than a $2000.00 scope. I don't know about anyone else, but I cannot tell the difference looking through $4000.00 scope and a $1500.00 scope. Even "cheap" (to some) under $500 scopes are surprisingly good in all aspects.
As for warranties, if I were spending thousands on a scope not only would I expect such a scope to last a lifetime but IF something did go wrong, I would expect the manufacturer to fix the problem at no additional cost to me. Sadly, that is not the case with the expensive, high end optics. Granted, the odds of something going wrong with high end optics is slim but I'm sure it does happen. I suppose along with everything thing else, you are paying a premium that nothing WILL go wrong down the road. But if it does, the manufaturer will repair it but it will cost you.
I came across this blog written a year ago and it talks about scope warranties. Maybe things have changed in the last 12 months but I don't think so. Any manufacturer that offers a unconditional repair/replace warranty, even if you are not the original owner and it was your fault, would get my attention. If I took a tumble on a scree slope and damaged my $400 scope, I would be unhappy. If that happened to a high end Night Force, US Optics, S&B, March etc, I would cry.
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/08/07/tactical-scopes-where-theyre-made-and-warranty/
As for warranties, if I were spending thousands on a scope not only would I expect such a scope to last a lifetime but IF something did go wrong, I would expect the manufacturer to fix the problem at no additional cost to me. Sadly, that is not the case with the expensive, high end optics. Granted, the odds of something going wrong with high end optics is slim but I'm sure it does happen. I suppose along with everything thing else, you are paying a premium that nothing WILL go wrong down the road. But if it does, the manufaturer will repair it but it will cost you.
I came across this blog written a year ago and it talks about scope warranties. Maybe things have changed in the last 12 months but I don't think so. Any manufacturer that offers a unconditional repair/replace warranty, even if you are not the original owner and it was your fault, would get my attention. If I took a tumble on a scree slope and damaged my $400 scope, I would be unhappy. If that happened to a high end Night Force, US Optics, S&B, March etc, I would cry.
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/08/07/tactical-scopes-where-theyre-made-and-warranty/
Very content with my Vortex Crossfire II 6-24. Been mounted on 308 for over a year with hundreds of rounds hard hitting handloads down the pipe.
Tracks well, glass is very clear except close range upper magnification (I'm ok with that as it was a sub $300 purchase price).
Hate on them all you want. My experience has thus far been great. Considering a Vortex Venom Reddot as an alternative to Trijicon RM06 because of how happy I am with cheapy crossfire.
Add me to the not ALWAYS believing you get what you pay for list.
Tracks well, glass is very clear except close range upper magnification (I'm ok with that as it was a sub $300 purchase price).
Hate on them all you want. My experience has thus far been great. Considering a Vortex Venom Reddot as an alternative to Trijicon RM06 because of how happy I am with cheapy crossfire.
Add me to the not ALWAYS believing you get what you pay for list.
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