Do you know how a pic rail is supposed to work?
Vortex pro rings.... why??
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Big JD-From the hills
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Fill me in with your exclusive, unique and wonderful knowledge please. Vortex advertising/literature states its compatability includes pic and weaver rails. Also re read the original post, its edited.
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Big JD-From the hills
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Haha alright, apparently I have offended allot of vortex fan/g@y boys by pointing out something that could be a failure point, result in damaging scopes/rails ect. It's absolutely not compatible with all weaver/pic rails as they state/advertise.
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To JD:
Thanks for the data point… & sharing your experience. I for one will keep it in mind.
I am by no means a Vortex fanboy but I do own Vortex stuff. This is not a problem exclusive to Vortex, I have a set of Zeiss rings made in UK with an almost identical recoil lug setup.
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Get the ATRS ones
Thanks for the data point… & sharing your experience. I for one will keep it in mind.
I am by no means a Vortex fanboy but I do own Vortex stuff. This is not a problem exclusive to Vortex, I have a set of Zeiss rings made in UK with an almost identical recoil lug setup.
Free returns at Bass Pro?
Get the ATRS ones
Looks like allot of you are having a comprehension issue. Sorry I haven't explained whats going the best, and your not aware of what's happening.
Anything I have from weaver, leuopold, nightforce, cadet, Warren, and ect ect all don't have this issue. For example the vortex 'sporting' rings work on my cz, and here is an example of a rail it will absolutely not work on(10/22)
Sure the rings clamp up, but they will be canted to the fixed side, and not clamped squarely.
Yeah sure I picked the wrong ring... literally had no idea vortex would do something different than apparently every other manufacturer out there
Im so dumb.
If it is clamped securely and the alignment with the barrel is straight, if you level the scope correctly in the rings, there shouldn't be any ill effects once the scope is zeroed. As long as it is leveled and secure. Is it visible aesthetically ? or is it just because you "know" ?
Anyway I understand your frustration; we always want everything perfect. If it will bothers you and distract you just put other rings and sell them. BTW I can give you 35$ for them ;-)
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From my understanding, there is actually a couple of engineering designs in what otherwise appears to be an identical approach across the industry to rings of this type.
One method essentially clamps the rings crosswise where the bulk of the clamping force is lateral.
Another method, "NATO-SPEC" (the better method as I understand it) is to use the force of the clamp to hold the ring downward on a flat topped rail.
To me it looks as though the integral rail on the CZ is designed for the former and couldn't really do the latter as effectively.
I have several integral rail firearms and none of them have a rail scalloped to the degree that your CZ seems to be. I have never understood the rationale for carving out part of the mounting surface on a rail.
That said, even if Vortex's rings are primarily designed to achieve the "Clamp down" attachment, it does look like a weird design choice.
I would be curious to hear their explanation.
One method essentially clamps the rings crosswise where the bulk of the clamping force is lateral.
Another method, "NATO-SPEC" (the better method as I understand it) is to use the force of the clamp to hold the ring downward on a flat topped rail.
To me it looks as though the integral rail on the CZ is designed for the former and couldn't really do the latter as effectively.
I have several integral rail firearms and none of them have a rail scalloped to the degree that your CZ seems to be. I have never understood the rationale for carving out part of the mounting surface on a rail.
That said, even if Vortex's rings are primarily designed to achieve the "Clamp down" attachment, it does look like a weird design choice.
I would be curious to hear their explanation.
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You haven’t don’t that at all.
You don’t need to buy a gun..just change the rail..but never - ever had to do that and I own at least 20 scoped rifles that cost from $9000 down to a $1000…
Big JD-From the hills
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Okay so I am 100% not getting across to everyone what's going on here. It's not a slot width cross bolt/recoil lug size issue, or a dimensional/ overall width issue.
If your rail looks like this(an atrs rail in picture) these rings from vortex won't work. There's nothing inherently wrong with the cz intergral rail... litteraly any other ring on the planet other than this odd ball vortex pro ring will work. Here is a picture of them next to some night force rings I have on hand for example. and again the picture of the part in question that is problematic circled.
If your rail looks like this(an atrs rail in picture) these rings from vortex won't work. There's nothing inherently wrong with the cz intergral rail... litteraly any other ring on the planet other than this odd ball vortex pro ring will work. Here is a picture of them next to some night force rings I have on hand for example. and again the picture of the part in question that is problematic circled.
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Those rings will work just fine with the ATRS rail. Did you even bother to read my post?
lol,Looks like allot of you are having a comprehension issue. Sorry I haven't explained whats going the best, and your not aware of what's happening.
Anything I have from weaver, leuopold, nightforce, cadet, Warren, and ect ect all don't have this issue. For example the vortex 'sporting' rings work on my cz, and here is an example of a rail it will absolutely not work on(10/22)
Sure the rings clamp up, but they will be canted to the fixed side, and not clamped squarely.
Yeah sure I picked the wrong ring... literally had no idea vortex would do something different than apparently every other manufacturer out there
Im so dumb for believing vortex statement of compatibility for both pic and weaver rails... what a scam company??
Vortex doesn’t make em, seekins does and they’re excellent rings.
Far from a vortex fan I hate em, your ignorance is misguided.
These Zeiss rings suffer from the same affliction, news flash zeiss doesn’t make em.
Put a quality rail or base on your gun and stop whining, alternatively you can B I T C H about the
“specs” of the rail idk. Either way it’s good for a laugh
It’s actually reverse! Weaver will fit on picatinny but picatinny will not fit on Weaver.
Seekins does make Vortex rings but only the PMR series. All other vortex rings are manufactured by different sources. The nice Zeiss rings pictured are made by Tier One in the UK.lol,
Vortex doesn’t make em, seekins does and they’re excellent rings.
Far from a vortex fan I hate em, your ignorance is misguided.
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These Zeiss rings suffer from the same affliction, news flash zeiss doesn’t make em.
Put a quality rail or base on your gun and stop whining, alternatively you can B I T C H about the
To OP: Perhaps I am just dense, but I do not understand the cause of your problem. (I just ignore the advice and insults of those distracting from the thread) Could you perhaps remove the "clamp" part of the ring and get a clear pic of the ring sitting on your rail? I believe that there is some big misunderstanding here by most of us........
