VPD switching to SIG

Stoeger is the civy side rep, Nichols is the LE side rep.
Redleg, yeah I thought Nichols was SIG too, that makes it even funnier.
 
Nicholls is why I don't own a Sig, Beretta, or HK.

I had to deal with whatsisname, Josee? from Nicholls on a Springfield warranty issue, (10 bad XD mags) and I flogged the gun the instant I got a fix for the mags (from popurheadoff, NOT josee).

Nicholls sucks. Never again.

Out of curiousity, who is the Glock importer?
 
Yeah Its gonna be costly for the transition....For 1100 + - members. Holsters,magazine pouches and of course the re-training/range time.
 
bartledan, gun stores don't get their Berettas from Nickolls, they get them from Streoger Canada... so I guess now you can have a Beretta :p
 
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My question is, where does Stoeger Canada get theirs? From the US, or from Nicholls? To whom do you go for warranty help? Stoeger or R Nicholls.

If a manufacturer deals with Nicholls, they don't want my business.
 
Bartledan said:
My question is, where does Stoeger Canada get theirs? From the US, or from Nicholls? To whom do you go for warranty help? Stoeger or R Nicholls.

If a manufacturer deals with Nicholls, they don't want my business.

Stoeger handles their own warranty work. I think they also import the guns for Nichols, but Nichols deals with the LE market.
 
Stoegers deals directly with BUSA and Italy. And Italy as much as possible from what I've heard.
 
redleg said:
Stoeger handles their own warranty work. I think they also import the guns for Nichols, but Nichols deals with the LE market.

Slavex said:
Stoegers deals directly with BUSA and Italy. And Italy as much as possible from what I've heard.

Ah, good! Thanks for the info.

That puts Beretta back on my list!

Good news, eh IML?
 
IM_Lugger said:
yeah that's what I though, I never heard of Nickolls having anything to do with Berettas...

they only dealt with the LE market and had sole distributor status for it (surprise surprise).

Boltgun
 
Slavex said:
If the Beretta rep for LE stuff didn't have their head stuffed so far up their ass they could've saved this contract and numerous others as well.

Sounds like here. Beretta doesn't even have a UK police sales rep anymore. West Midlands police bought them back around 1990 to replace their revolvers, they still use them, but the distributor (Gunmark) stopped handling handguns when they were banned, so West Mids police have precisely zero backup. You should see their guns, they are totally clapped out. I heard they were going to the P226 but they haven't got the money.

It just never ceases to amaze me that the second largest police force in the UK is using a pistol that has had no spare parts availability for eight years now.

So what do you think of the Beretta 96, Slavex?
 
redleg said:
I have had both caliber guns operate, and neither went 20,000rds between locking block failure.

I have to say I'm amazed by that statement, I've put over 20,000 rounds though a 92F without a problem. In fact I was talking to a guy at a rental range in the US where I rented a 92FS last month, and he said it had had a huge number of rounds through it. My complaint was that the feed ramp had worn vertical.

I can understand that locking blocks may break before 20,000 rounds, but consistently?
 
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cybershooters said:
I have to say I'm amazed by that statement, I've put over 20,000 rounds though a 92F without a problem. In fact I was talking to a guy a rental range in the US where I rented a 92FS last month, and he said it had had a huge number of rounds through it. My complaint was that the feed ramp had worn vertical.

I can understand that locking blocks may break before 20,000 rounds, but consistently?


Yes consistantly and regularly and usually well under 20,000rds. In fact I would say the average was about 6,000rds. Slides would last 3-4 locking inserts. Frames usually 2 slides.
 
It's only because TSEJR pours abrasive compounds on Beretta's to get them to fail..... ;) (kidding)
It's funny rental ranges I know in the USA report all sorts of different stats. Some love their Beretta's others hate them, some love their Glocks, others their Sigs. There is no consistency that I can find in any of them.
As for my opinion on the 96? well honestly the only one to get is the Elite II or other Brig slide ones. Although that said my old Italian 96 has over 160,000 rounds through it and I just replaced the locking block this past summer. It's only had 2 or 3 recoil springs in it, and a couple dozen shock buffs. At one point I still had all the empty boxes of ammo and reloading supplies I put through it while I was on compo, but that was all lost during the last major flood in my parents basement.
Somewhere around the 130,000 mark I had to replace the slide as the one that it came with cracked. Of course it cracked after I put a bushing in it to try and make it more accurate. Having looked back at how I shot though, I know the problem wasn't the gun so much as it was me.
My current competition gun is sitting around 40,000 rounds of 9mm and might be as high as 60,000. I'd have to add everything up. Figure 1000 rounds a week for 6 or 7 months a year, and then 1000 a month in the off season (minimum) for the last 3 years. Plus all the screwing around ammo I've put through it. Parts tally? maybe 6 or 7 recoil springs, and a couple other spring replacements.
But in closing, yes in good conscience I can't recommend the standard slide version of the 96, and honestly I think the .40 is a useless round anyhow, except for maybe Standard Div. in ISPC, and maybe in Production if you can live with shooting wimpy powder puff loads and still feel good about yourself :p :D :rolleyes:
 
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