VZ-58s and more...FAQs are Post 1

[alexD92]

Just a little heads up for people who like things "tight"...not too long ago I was reassemble my VZ and noticed a little play in my muzzle break. So having some locktite not too far away I proceeded to apply a little bit to the threads.

Little did I know that the damn locktite worked its way into the detent that holds the muzzle device in place. So when I was about to clean it again after the other trip the fricking pin went in and wouldn't come out of the front sight base...

I removed the cross pin that holds the muzzle break detent and proceeded to work it in and out...after 1/2 an hour of "fourrer le chien" I finally got it out, and got the spring out also...

so...don't locktite the muzzle break...

*sigh*

 

[Satain]

Yes please don't use locktight for the muzzle brake. Go to Home Depot, Rona Revi & ect. Pick-up some high heat pluber's tape, A.K.A. gass pipe teflon. Works great and after getting your barrel so hot that you can burn your hand. The muzzle brake won't even wiggle!

 

[Xman]

 

[Xman]

 

[DMcFaul]

That is the one addon to the 58 that I have yet to get... and must have.

 

[alexD92]

Does anyone know a gunsmith that knows his way around the VZ'58? I have some safety issues and a gremlin to get fixed.

Thanks.

 

[Satain]

Were do I sign up commrade!

 

[mrpenguin]

Heres pictures of SmithTac's krinkov project
VZ 858 Restricted Barrel as issued.

VZ 858 Restricted Barrel with sight block removed & ready for the lathe.

This photo shows approximately how far back the barrel will be machined to accept the front sight block & where the Krinkov flash hider will be torqued up against the front sight block. Approx 3.25 inches will be cut off.. ( Krinkov flash hider is left hand thread)

photo shows the VZ 858 barrel machined & cut back with the front sight block pinned in place with the Krinkov flash hider installed. The Krinkov flash hider is quite long, however we can install a variety of flash hiders to customize this conversion to suit your needs.

Left Hand thread Krinkov flash hider installed, note: Barrel machined to gas block so front sight could be moved back against gas block, Removable flash hider installed, Metal parts are Duracoated Matte Black.

Project Complete & ready for the range !.

I thought that if you cut the barrel the gun becomes prohibited ?

 

[blckgnznstuff]

Not if the gun was already a restricted.
Cutting a non restricted below the magic number (18.5") would make a prohib.

 

[Stevo]

Not if the gun was already a restricted.
Cutting a non restricted below the magic number (18.5") would make a prohib.

There's considerable debate on that. Nothing in the regs refers to what the barrel length started out as or differentiates between restricted and non-restricted.

 

[blckgnznstuff]

Yes, there is debate on that but...
I would strongly suggest that to cut a non restricted semi auto to less than 18.5" would result in charges for possession of a prohibited firearm.
Tomlinson had a very good write up on this issue a number of years ago. It is a complicated set of rules that can easily end in hot water for the unwary. I tried to find the article but have so far been unsuccessful.
Anyone else have a link to it?

 

[Stevo]

Yes, there is debate on that but...
I would strongly suggest that to cut a non restricted semi auto to less than 18.5" would result in charges for possession of a prohibited firearm.

I agree with that completely.

I disagree with your opinion that the barrel being less than 18.5" before it's cut or the firearm being restricted makes any difference in the legality of shortening a barrel.

 

[Curtton]

mrpenguin: looks good . how did you reduce the diameter of the barrel? barrel in the chuck at low speed ?

 

[blckgnznstuff]

I disagree with your opinion that the barrel being less than 18.5" before it's cut or the firearm being restricted makes any difference in the legality of shortening a barrel.

You may be correct, it is not a clear cut subject.(pardon the pun) I was under the impression that a restricted was not illegal to shorten. But then we could get into if it was a factory barrel etc.
I wonder what would happen if you were to re crown a barrel, restricted or otherwise. Would that not be shortening it too?
Tomlinson's article was pretty good reading. Wish I had kept a copy.

 

[Stevo]

That's the thing, who actually knows? I imagine it would really have to go before a court to get a solid ruling. What the RCMP/CFC "determine" isn't necessarily supported by the law, as we all know.

And just to clarify my point, what you were saying may be perfectly allowable. It's just hard to read the CC firmly one way or another.

 

[Deckard]

What ever happened to John Marshall and his rail?

Palinak, are you still in the game? What about mags?

 

[Bcviking]

My go to CZ combo

 

[Wildbore]

Yes, there is debate on that but...
I would strongly suggest that to cut a non restricted semi auto to less than 18.5" would result in charges for possession of a prohibited firearm.
Tomlinson had a very good write up on this issue a number of years ago. It is a complicated set of rules that can easily end in hot water for the unwary. I tried to find the article but have so far been unsuccessful.
Anyone else have a link to it?

18.5" is the barrel length at which a semi-automatic, centrefire firearm becomes restricted. You could cut a non-restricted semi-automatic, centrefire firearm below 18.5", it would not make the firearm prohibited if it is still longer than 18", but you would have to consult the CFC to reclassify your firearm to restricted. Cutting the barrel of any gun to a length of 18" or less makes a firearm prohibited.

The law seems to indicate that if a barrel ends up at a length of below 18" by cutting or sawing, the firearm becomes prohibited. The law doesn't seem to provide any exemption for a barrel already below 18", which is why it is a grey area.

You may be correct, it is not a clear cut subject.(pardon the pun) I was under the impression that a restricted was not illegal to shorten. But then we could get into if it was a factory barrel etc.

Whether it is illegal or not, we don't really know. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be a test case. As long as it was done by a licensed firearms manufacturer, a strong defence can be made that no crime occurred because the barrel was "re-manufactured" to the shorter length. The FRT notes seem to indicate that a licensed manufacturer has the capacity to legally shorten a firearm.

I wonder what would happen if you were to re crown a barrel, restricted or otherwise. Would that not be shortening it too?

Not an issue. The regulations provide an exemption for gunsmiths who incidentally shorten a firearm while conducting routine activities.

 

[Satain]

My go to CZ combo

Love the combo!

What model is that pistol?

 

[Bcviking]

its a CZ-52 pistol 7.62x25