VZ modernization project....

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Hi, just picked up this Czechpoint VZ 58(I live in Washington, U.S.), and I've been seriously looking into modifying it!

I've read as much as I could find, regarding VZ rifles, and to be honest, they're not too common in the States. I came here to find more info on them, and I have a few questions about setting up a railed fore end, and optic mounting.

First off, here's the rifle. Beautiful, if you ask me! I love how it shoots, and it literally wins hands down, against any AK I have ever handled or fired!

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Now, for my questions...

I want to remove all the wood furniture for safe keeping, and still be able to turn the rifle into a fighting tool. I want to maintain the slim, classic look of the Czech rifle as much as I can, while still giving it the advantage of an optic, and ergonomic furniture.

-I'd like to run either an AR style collapsable stock, or an Ace stock. I lean toward an inline buffer tube adapter, so I can put a Magpul CTR stock on it, and have commonality and familiarity with my AR rifle.

-I'd like to install a railed fore end, and am leaning toward a Troy Insustries fore end, with an Aimpoint Micro, as this combination will have a lower 1/3 cowitness with the iron sights.

My concern with this combo, is that an inline AR adapter will have too high of a cheek weld for the Aimpoint Micro?? I've seen a few VZs setup with one of these optics, but are they not too low on the receiver to run an inline AR stock?

Secondly, I was also considering a BC Tactical rail. I like the construction of it, though it doesn't keep low enough to be able to utilize the stock iron sights in conjunction with an optic. Any thoughts on a comparison between the two?

I really would like to keep this rifle as light and handy as I can. I plan on getting an NEA tactical bolt release, and extended mag release, but otherwise retaining the stock look and feel of the gun as much as I can.

Any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
 
I'd like to install a railed fore end, and am leaning toward a Troy Insustries fore end, with an Aimpoint Micro, as this combination will have a lower 1/3 cowitness with the iron sights.
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The Troy Forend is made by NEA.
I have found that with the inline AR style stock, it is definitely too low.
I went with an angled AR stock adapter. There is a good one made by Stormwerkz in the states I believe, and I'm sure NEA makes one just as good as well.
 
Stormwerkz also makes an adapter taht allows for multiple height positions... would that allow for low enough, coming away from the receiver?

Also, is there a good alternative stock I could run that would allow for a better cheek height with the Troy/NEA rail and an Aimpoint Micro?
 
My concern with this combo, is that an inline AR adapter will have too high of a cheek weld for the Aimpoint Micro?? I've seen a few VZs setup with one of these optics, but are they not too low on the receiver to run an inline AR stock?
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I don't have any trouble using an NEA AR adapter and Bushnell TRS-25 on a NEA handguard rail.
 
I run the raunch tactical AR adapter, it allows for you to adjust the height of your cheek weld...I'll probally use the NEA/TROY upper rail to mount the vortex sparc i have...
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Any of the adjustable adapters will work. I have the stormwerkz on mine with the folder mech and I love it. You can adjust the stock up and down as needed.

Shawn

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chanman said:
Damn, that's some gorgeous wood you have on there. Are you sure you don't want to trade it for some 'beaver barf' furniture?
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Afraid not. That Beechwood is coming right off, and going in the safe!:D I traded a nice revolver that I had for the VZ, and the previous owner, who bought it new, said Czechpoint offered these for a while, calling them "Military Classic" models. From what I've been able to research, they were military suplus stocks that were beautifully refinished, and assembled on Czechpoint rifles. The wood's finish is really amazing, very rich and deep!
 
Mako has 2 folders for the VZ- a M4 and another one.

ww w.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=_VZ58
 
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I run a TRS 25 on an NEA railed fwd mount and an adjustable buffer tube adapter from Rauch; no problem with getting a natural cheekweld and perfect co-witness.
 
YFZsandrider said:
I'm an AR guy, and Mako stuff looks incredibly cheap to me. No offense to anyone, but I want to run high quality durable stuff on this gun.
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No offense taken.

I've seen pics of VZ 58s on this site with Mako (Fab Defense) stocks.

I'm curious; can anyone give a report of the quality?
 
First off try the whole Co-Witness BS before you are sold on it. I find that the red dot sight is best suited for an un-obstructed feild of view. If you want a cheap soild red dot mount and keep that ###y wood check out this product being sold at Wanstalls;
WanstallsOnline said:
Just received a new shipment from B.C. Tactical!

CZ 858 Picatinny Rail Scope Mount $69.99
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-replaces the rear site on CZ 858
-easy to install pressure fit system
-made of 6061 AIRCRAFT GRADE ALUMINUM
-no gun smithing required

see it here: http://www.wanstallsonline.com/product.php?productid=824&cat=0&page=2

Let me know if you have any questions...

Gary
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Here is what it looks like from the manufactor;
B.C. Tactical said:
After great amount of interest and customer feed back on producing an economical mount for the VZ/CZ platform. We have come to the simple but yet effective design that should make mounting a red dot optic a breeze. Not only will you not have to remove the rail to clean your rifle. It also makes mounting & aim you CQB optic's an easy to do as 1,2,3. The best part of this soon to be released optic platform is that if your a traditional shooter and enjoy your wood furniture and just want something that is easier to aim with the the original iron sight's. Or your tactical operator that needs extra space to mount your thermals or NVG's. Here is a solution that we have design just for you.

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(*Tested to fit with all red dot platform's. Some of witch are not shown here.)

E.T.A.: June, 2011.
Price: Yet to be determined.

Also looking forward to hearing what you say here at the CGN community on what you may like or dislike about this mount platform before it is released.
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As for the handguards. I didn't like the fact that there was set screws needed for the NEA 1's plus the fact that I had to purchase rails seperatly wasn't that thrilling for me even though I did buy a set. I also didn't like the FAB alluminum 1's they were a pain to keep pulling on and off for cleaning because of th use of corrosive ammo. Never did try the Dlask 1's although I never did like the looks of it. Now the FAB zytel 1 I had for the longest time. Never had any issues with it untill I slaped a red dot on it. I have a B.C. Tactical first version and have yet to have an issue. Although there has been some reports that you will need to do some fitting to properly instal them.
Now for bolt and mag release. I have owned them all. Again the B.C. Tactical 1's I am still running. I have had issues with the Neit Arms version. Although since the owner joined up with NEA hopefully they have corrected there issues. Dlask makes a mag release & it is just fine. I also tried the ambi-mag release but ran into issues with the bolt release lever. Must have been the muslce memory and training issues. Although if you have a dremil it will take 2 seconds and there is no real need for this upgrade. Also there are some CZ/VZ's out there that have the AK style trigger gaurd, again makeing the mag release pointless.

Now the rear butt stock to take an AR stock. The Rauch 1 again has screws to make it adjustable. Use blue lock tite if you buy this 1. It's all right but I don't like the fact of the missing lock plate. So it comes down to the NEA 1 with the rear mount. Had it and although I did like the mounting bracket for the optic. Again I did not like removing it every time to clean the rifle. Although except for my rear pistol grip mount this is the only viable option for mounting an optic in the tradional western way. Meaning with rails and right infront of our face over the center of the rifle. Now for the Dlask 1 angled or straight AR stock adaptor. Depending on your preferance on your set-up. If you shoot irons then it's an angle now if you have a red dot or a long eye relief optic it's straight. I really like how it's also angled. Plus it's preaty darn rock soild.
Now for the pistol grip it's got to be DaveMcFaul's great pistol grip mod. I strongly recomend this for people who enjoy all the different styles and choices that an AR pistol grip can provide you. Not like the FAB, wood or barf grips that are currently avaible to us North Americans. All it takes is some time with a dremil and a AK to AR pistol grip from A.C.E.
I strongly wish for you not just to take my advise but please try it out for your self and post back here on what your own personal preferance are and how it all turned out for ya.
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Satain said:
First off try the whole Co-Witness BS before you are sold on it. I find that the red dot sight is best suited for an un-obstructed feild of view. If you want a cheap soild red dot mount and keep that ###y wood check out this product being sold at Wanstalls;

Here is what it looks like from the manufactor;

As for the handguards. I didn't like the fact that there was set screws needed for the NEA 1's plus the fact that I had to purchase rails seperatly wasn't that thrilling for me even though I did buy a set. I also didn't like the FAB alluminum 1's they were a pain to keep pulling on and off for cleaning because of th use of corrosive ammo. Never did try the Dlask 1's although I never did like the looks of it. Now the FAB zytel 1 I had for the longest time. Never had any issues with it untill I slaped a red dot on it. I have a B.C. Tactical first version and have yet to have an issue. Although there has been some reports that you will need to do some fitting to properly instal them.
Now for bolt and mag release. I have owned them all. Again the B.C. Tactical 1's I am still running. I have had issues with the Neit Arms version. Although since the owner joined up with NEA hopefully they have corrected there issues. Dlask makes a mag release & it is just fine. I also tried the ambi-mag release but ran into issues with the bolt release lever. Must have been the muslce memory and training issues. Although if you have a dremil it will take 2 seconds and there is no real need for this upgrade. Also there are some CZ/VZ's out there that have the AK style trigger gaurd, again makeing the mag release pointless.

Now the rear butt stock to take an AR stock. The Rauch 1 again has screws to make it adjustable. Use blue lock tite if you buy this 1. It's all right but I don't like the fact of the missing lock plate. So it comes down to the NEA 1 with the rear mount. Had it and although I did like the mounting bracket for the optic. Again I did not like removing it every time to clean the rifle. Although except for my rear pistol grip mount this is the only viable option for mounting an optic in the tradional western way. Meaning with rails and right infront of our face over the center of the rifle. Now for the Dlask 1 angled or straight AR stock adaptor. Depending on your preferance on your set-up. If you shoot irons then it's an angle now if you have a red dot or a long eye relief optic it's straight. I really like how it's also angled. Plus it's preaty darn rock soild.
Now for the pistol grip it's got to be DaveMcFaul's great pistol grip mod. I strongly recomend this for people who enjoy all the different styles and choices that an AR pistol grip can provide you. Not like the FAB, wood or barf grips that are currently avaible to us North Americans. All it takes is some time with a dremil and a AK to AR pistol grip from A.C.E.
I strongly wish for you not just to take my advise but please try it out for your self and post back here on what your own personal preferance are and how it all turned out for ya.
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:sniper:Where did you get the drum??? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
Satain said:
First off try the whole Co-Witness BS before you are sold on it. I find that the red dot sight is best suited for an un-obstructed feild of view....
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I agree, in that I don't like a red dot field of view that is obstructed by iron sights right in line with the reticle... however the co-witness with the Troy/NEA rail would be a lower 1/3 co-witness. You can basically use the red dot above the iron sights, and if the optic fails, the iron sights are right there, without removing your optic.

With the optic mount that you suggested, you completely off your rear sight! A setup like that is fine on a flat top AR, where you have pleanty of rail space for a flip down back-up sight, front and rear of the optic.... but what the hell good is your rifle without an iron sight?!
 
matty86suk said:
I run the raunch tactical AR adapter, it allows for you to adjust the height of your cheek weld...I'll probally use the NEA/TROY upper rail to mount the vortex sparc i have...
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Never heard of raunch tactical...Do they offer leather chaps, possibly whips or any forms of oscillating marital aids? The GF is tired of Olive Drab, so I'm only in if they offer products in FDE or pink digicam...
 
Sakonut said:
Never heard of raunch tactical...Do they offer leather chaps, possibly whips or any forms of oscillating marital aids? The GF is tired of Olive Drab, so I'm only in if they offer products in FDE or pink digicam...
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I have raunch on the mind:p
ht tp://rauchtactical.com/
 
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