VZ58 Short Barrels

It looks like this.

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Wow... at least try and improve on the designs you're copying.
 
Wow... at least try and improve on the designs you're copying.

Relax Dave the over the receiver concept mount for the VZ58 has been around for years, the first one I was involved with was made by John Marshall close to 3 years ago of which this is an evolution. Prior to that Palinak has pimped a couple versions etc. Like the concept of QD mounts, picatinny, AR stock adapters etc; it may not be original but it actually works and will be commercially available in 60 days.
 
This is great news... I just happen to be in desperate need of a new barrel for my rifle.

If I were to replace my 58L barrel with one of these shorts ones, how does a person go about getting the rifle reclassified as a restricted?
 
Relax Dave the over the receiver concept mount for the VZ58 has been around for years, the first one I was involved with was made by John Marshall close to 3 years ago of which this is an evolution. Prior to that Palinak has pimped a couple versions etc. Like the concept of QD mounts, picatinny, AR stock adapters etc; it may not be original but it actually works and will be commercially available in 60 days.

And I guess having my rail mount being sandbagged on your desk for a few months probably helped a bit as well..

BTW, you may want to change the ejection slope to the right.. It's going to be pretty fun trying to convince that thing to eject backwards. But you knew that already. ;)

Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing what the future holds.


This is great news... I just happen to be in desperate need of a new barrel for my rifle.

If I were to replace my 58L barrel with one of these shorts ones, how does a person go about getting the rifle reclassified as a restricted?

You'll need to contact the CFC and have the rifle verified in person I would assume. I'm not 100% on the legalities, but I believe that you'd have to have a gunsmith install the restricted barrel because by merely installing a short barrel on a non-restricted receiver, you are making a restricted device that isn't registered as such.. the vicious circle of having to have it already so before you can make it so.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. You would have much less trouble getting a restricted gun and installing the shorter barrel. Much less of a headache.
 
And I guess having my rail mount being sandbagged on your desk for a few months probably helped a bit as well..

Nothing was sandbagged, my office and my home developed a massive mold problem causing us to have to abandon our home and essentially be homeless for 6 weeks. Then when I offered to work with you on it, you passed. There are no rips off of any part of your design. I don't claim to be original any more then you can, small production runs and one offs of over the barrel rails are common knowledge on CGN and have been for years.

Fact is the first RT part number dating back close to two years ago was an over the barrel rail system, designed by as I said John Marshall so who is copying who? Honestly Dave lets leave CGN to legit purposes...
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. You would have much less trouble getting a restricted gun and installing the shorter barrel. Much less of a headache.
Yes it easier to change restricted firearms barrel length to a shorter barrel because the FRT needs only to be changed .Changing a Non Restricted Firearms status to to Restricted is somewhat complicated it can be done though .
 
You'll need to contact the CFC and have the rifle verified in person I would assume. I'm not 100% on the legalities, but I believe that you'd have to have a gunsmith install the restricted barrel because by merely installing a short barrel on a non-restricted receiver, you are making a restricted device that isn't registered as such.. the vicious circle of having to have it already so before you can make it so.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. You would have much less trouble getting a restricted gun and installing the shorter barrel. Much less of a headache.

Yea a gunsmith will definately be doing this barrel swap (I don't have a pneumatic press).

I would actually like to stick with a non-restricted rifle but none of the 858 vendors carry replacement barrels, and 58L barrels are as rare as unicorns. Czechpoint USA has milsurp restricted barrels for $70 but they don't ship to Canada. So I am kind of out of options here, but a short barrel vz-58 does sound kind of cool.
 
1. I need to see pics of this... I've wanted a shorty '58' for a long long time.
2. Is it easy to go from Non-Restricted to Restricted? I'm thinking it's just a call to the CFC for a reg.cert change is all that is required. Sign me up!

Again, please post PICS ASAP!!!
 
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2 men enter, one man leaves. ;)

Actually I'd prefer you take my money based on my product being superior and the originality of the designs.. That's 'almost' as rewarding as a deathmatch.


On the advice of those much older and wiser than myself I'm attempting to turn a corner and try this "business demenor "out which unfortunatly goes against the grain of dealing physical dismemberment, and in stead embraces burial by sales. You'll have to excuse me, I'm still learning that you can't tell people to F*ck off and sound professional. That was quite effective in the my former life...

Something big is brewing... The worm has turned; hang on. ;)
 
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Gentlemen:

At the end of the day, I think we would all agree, more Canadian product is better.

Also in this case, I think a modicum of common sense will apply.

Those that build good product that actually works, support it, stand behind it should if fail, and deal with those that purchase it in an honest and straight forward manor lacking the caustic overtones, will be the only one standing at the end of the day.

Further, there is an entire body of law dedicated to "intellectual property", and it would truly behoove those in voled to become familiar with it, so they are properly and legitimately able to protect their designs. Lets face it, there are a lot of lazy people, lacking imagination and intellect, always wanting to ride on the coat tails of those that have more imagination, skill, and the intestinal fortitude to bring a new design into actual being.

Just food for ones thoughts

respectfully yours

AbH
 
Further, there is an entire body of law dedicated to "intellectual property", and it would truly behoove those in voled to become familiar with it, so they are properly and legitimately able to protect their designs. Lets face it, there are a lot of lazy people, lacking imagination and intellect, always wanting to ride on the coat tails of those that have more imagination, skill, and the intestinal fortitude to bring a new design into actual being.

There sure is.. ;)


Back on track however...

Short barrels are a 'when' not an 'if'.. patience sucks, but will be rewarded in the end.
 
I remember that rail concept being tried/tinkered by a number of fellows in the last couple of years. I recall Rauch talking of this a long time ago also(among other items). Depending on resources available, sometimes it just takes time for concepts to turn into solid matter. Who was the first I don't know, but the idea has been around in it's different variations. There seems to be alot of CZ/VZ domestic suppliers and products stepping into the market now.:)
 
Will they be chrome lined? I read this whole thread, and couldn't find anyone asking this. As well, I believe there will be a large volume of barrels flooding the EE soon :D
 
old barrels are cut off and are garbage. o don't think there will be alot for sale.

can you mix the short barrels with your refurbish program for CZ858-2 rifle? install the short barrel then coat it all?
 
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